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[-] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 94 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Dumbass doesn't even understand that NATO is a DEFENSIVE pact and that Denmark is a member. Not wanting to give you their territory doesn't count as an attack.

Also if he really cared about security he would have strengthened his ties with his allies instead of pushing them away. The US is far less secure now that it was 3 months ago.

[-] lka1988@sh.itjust.works 26 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Not wanting to give you their territory doesn't count as an attack.

Having been married to a narcissist for 11 years, yes, that's literally how they think. My ex would fly off the handle if I told her "no" to sex or whatever it was that she wanted. She'd throw out all kinds of excuses about how it was my fault somehow, and even during our divorce, when we were literally separated, she forced her way into my room (we still lived in the same house for a few weeks) just to "cuddle" and would throw a fit if I didn't give in. Remember, we were getting divorced. I had to put my foot down hard on that line. And yes, she would get violent.

Orange presidents with tiny dick syndrome calling a country's refusal to give up territory an "attack" is not much different, fundamentally.

[-] Silk@lemm.ee -1 points 11 months ago

NATO isn't really defensive.

It's two main Engagements - Kosovo and Afghanistan - were pretty solidly offensive imo.

[-] DeLacue@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

Kosovo was UN not NATO. Only NATO engagement was Afghanistan and the Taliban had claimed responsibility for an act of war against a NATO member. Now the actual war was fought entirely in Afghanistan but that doesn't mean it wasn't a defensive war. It just doesn't feel like one.

Don't take this to mean I supported the war in Afghanistan or the many horrible things US troops did while there. (nor do I support the Taliban or their practises and tactics). But NATO is by rule and charter very much a defensive alliance. So much so that if Trump attacks Greenland he will have to face the rest of NATO. Which is something I don't think he comprehends, it's obvious that to him the US is the ruler of NATO.

[-] Silk@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago

Ok yeah my bad abt Kosovo.

Re Afghanistan I would say 9/11 was not an act of war by Afghanistan, and more a terrorist attack by non-state actors. And the closest involved state actors were Saudi, Pakistani, and U.S moreso than Afghan anyway.

I'm sceptical about the extent to which NATO is controlled by the U.S vs. other members but I'm not too knowledgeable, but it seems at minimum U.S has outsized influence on NATO anyway, as like all the Supreme Allied commanders of Europe have been from the US I think, even though the head position of NATO has more European staff.

But yeah with article 5 and other factors it's definitely possible Europe would defend Greenland, and I don't think any of them would help invade it except maybe Hungary lol.

[-] tazeycrazy@feddit.uk 1 points 11 months ago

I think the talban where hosting them and didn't want to snitch.

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