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Waymo is the leader in self driving cars, by a lot. Here's one getting itself stuck in concrete. (hexbear.net)
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[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 days ago (2 children)

So, how are those things street-legal again?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Easy. Waymo specifically, because over 22 million miles, they have demonstrated that they have about 7 times fewer crashes with injuries than human drivers. (0.4 collisions with injuries per million miles, compared to 2.78 for human drivers).

I don't work for Waymo and I have no particular interest in them "succeeding" but I don't have reason to believe this data is fabricated - NHTSA has tight grips on reporting of every single incident and even disengagements of the autonomous system.

These things are not a Tesla with an inexpensive sensor suite and a deceitfully marketed advanced cruise control.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I love that I clicked on the link and was instantly hit with a paywall

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago

Oh weird, I don't get a paywall at all. Maybe because I'm in Europe?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago

Really good to know. Thanks for the info. doggirl-thumbsup

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

So if they have confirmed cases of people being injured by these things, who gets held legally responsible for them when they kill or injure someone, and how? If I unleash a murderous robot that only kills and injures one seventh of the people cars do am I legally in the clear as long as he picks up a few fares during his rampage?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

I wish I could give you an actual solid answer but I'm not a lawyer. My suspicion is that if Boeing could kill 346 people with their 737 MAX negligence without anyone going to jail, then

  • The people responsible for the self driving car software
  • The people in Waymo who collate the evidence for why it can go on-road
  • The legislators reviewing that evidence and approving it

Would have little to no legal consequences except if there is a very obvious negligence, like what happened to Uber. In this case this resulted in,

  • negligent homicide for the person legally driving
  • suspension of autonomous vehicle testing which led to shuttering the whole division

But it's a different one as there was a driver "monitoring" the system. I don't know how it would pan out in a driverless case to be honest.