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Terrorism, in its broadest sense, is the use of violence against non-combatants to achieve political or ideological aims.
It's pretty much always meant violence for an ideology or cause. And the political motivation is very much what makes the difference.
Words do have definitions.
Well then define non-combatants. The person he shot was at fault for hundreds if not thousands of deaths. Saying he didn't personally do them would be like saying a general is not responsible for their troops actions.
“a person who is not engaged in fighting during a war, especially a civilian, chaplain, or medical practitioner.”
Sure he was responsible for deaths due to denying health coverage. But he’s still a civilian.
So is the president, who orders drone strikes on civilians.
The president is not a civilian. They are Commander-in-Chief of the combined armed forces.
I would have agreed with you until the supreme Court ruled otherwise to protect trump.
So it was a civilian on civilian kill. Not a militant group/gang/mercenary.
If the "battle" was pertaining to healthcare denials, he was currently battling and his group took up battle after he was gone.
The perpetrator of an act of terrorism isn’t part of the definition. They need not be affiliated with a group or military.
I find it curious how many people on Lemmy were gleefully posting about CEOs and billionaires being scared because of this attack, and then to see push-back about the label of terrorism (where fear is part of the outcome, hence the name).
The saying is “one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter,” right?
I get that we aren't likely to agree. But "my version" of what terrorism is... You know because I'm an entitled person who gets to make shit up.. but you'll get what I mean.. is to instill fear in the masses by performing an act. When you fly into a building, people say "they could have flown into my building". When you launch a missile at a housing complex, people think that could have been my housing complex (gave up on quotes). When you blow up a communication device or a car... People think that could have been my car, phone, pager.
When you kill a CEO, no one is worried for their life when they say "that could have been my CEO". They are more like shit.. I wonder if Tim would get that job? Fuck I hope it's not Pam. So unless the masses are being terrorized by an army of Pam's... I just think it's not terrorism
I actually don’t disagree. That’s certainly the connotation that comes with “terrorism.”
It’s also not how the legal definition works, unfortunately, which is just vague enough to let the FBI decide what is and isn’t terrorism based on how they feel about something. As I understand it, anyway. And since what he did falls under the legal definition, they can charge him with it.
It's of course used for control. Shit, the fuckers put ANTIFA on the terrorist organization list after they claimed they were responsible for Jan 6... And now they are saying they should pardon them all because they changed narratives and they were Republicans. When you put a headliner on your meeting that says "We are all terrorists" and then use the laws around terrorism to subjugate people who disagree with you... It starts to get a bit hazy.
Edit: let's be unequivocally fair. All punishments brought up on him for being a terrorist should be cast upon those who also supported CPAC, or they should toss all the laws tied to the word terrorism, because clearly they have no defined meaning
"Different definitions of terrorism emphasize its randomness, its aim to instill fear, and its broader impact beyond its immediate victims."
From the article you cited
using definitions is cheating
Its wildly overused though isnt it. Anyone can say almost anything and claim its political. And in the case of your definition, governments leverage terrorism on many of us on a day to day basis. Every protest met with force is terrorism, by that definition you proffered. So do we have a right of self defense against politically motivated violence?
It's usually applied to a non state actor, not a government.
The sinking of the Rainbow Warrior, for example, isn't generally considered a terrorist attack.