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[–] 155 points 2 years ago (11 children)

How tf can killing a single person with a handgun be classified as terrorism?

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  • [–] 65 points 2 years ago

    "They're making us CEO's afraid, terrified even, so he's clearly a terrorist. The implication that the working class could actually fight back against the systemic oppression we inflict on them? That's horrifying. We can't allow them to believe they could ever fight back. Make an example of this person."

    The rich assholes or something

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    [–] 145 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    So this is terrorism but they refuse to give terrorism charges to local militias?

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  • [–] 117 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    They also don't charge people who blow up abortion clinics with terrorism either. They haven't since the 60s - 70s.

    If you look it up the courts have been petitioned several times to associate abortion clinic bombings with Christian terrorism but they keep refusing to call it what it is.

    After reading about that fiasco I have very little faith our government actually has a working definition of terrorism that doesn't shift at their convenience.

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  • [–] [S] 23 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Local militias are perfectly acceptable as per the second amendment, as long as they're "well regulated", whatever that means...

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  • [–] 100 points 2 years ago (39 children)

    Was he actually Italian though? As in, speaking Italian, having an Italian passport etc.? Y'all Americans have weird definitions of nationality, just having a foreign sounding last name isn't really enough...

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  • [–] 79 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    When someone from America says they Italian or whatever they aren't talking about nationality, it's about ancestry, where your family came from not what county you were born in

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  • [–] 73 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    No no no no........it's about what kind of food your mom cooked when you were a kid.

    Which makes me.......uhhhhhh........clown? I don't know. She bought a lot of McDonalds.

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  • [–] [S] 31 points 2 years ago* (19 children)

    Dude's name is Luigi and his last name sounds like a pizza restaurant. That settles it for me, thank you very much.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago (18 children)

    You joke, but that kind of prejudice is pretty hurtful in day to day life

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    Let’s hope the jury disagrees

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  • [–] 45 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    They charged him with terrorism so a regular jury won't get to make that decision. It will be a federal grand jury of selected stooges, and maybe even a secret court.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    A federal grand jury isn't a replacement for a regular federal trial jury. They're completely different things. A grand jury decides if there is a strong enough case to take the charges to trial, or if they should just be dismissed. When a grand jury isn't used, the trial judge makes that determination themselves. I agree that the terrorism charge will affect how the trial is conducted, but I don't know enough on that topic to comment further.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago

    That's true but the way that a federal jury works is very different.

    It allows them to choose people from outside of the area in which the crime occurred.

    Making it a federal trial jury instead of a state trial jury allows them to charge this single murder against an individual perpetrated by another individual who made no public statement with a much more severe crime than the state laws that he broke would normally allow.

    It's also important to note that making it a federal trial makes it less public as there will be no cameras allowed. They don't want him tried in the state of New York because that could legally be televised which is a bad look when you've already got judicial homicide lined up and the trial is purely performative.

    Being that they can choose people from all over and that the process of jury selection is even more opaque at the federal level they can make sure there won't be any nullification issues.

    The way they are treating Luigi whether or not he's guilty indicates that it's not relevant whether or not he's guilty. They legitimately don't care, this is about sending a message that the poors don't get to fight back.

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  • [–] 74 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    Uhuh... And the school shooters? No terrorist charges?...

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    [–] 51 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    the definition of terrorism from the FBI is very... vague

    Here's an exerpt from the declaration of Independence :3

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    [–] 45 points 2 years ago*

    ”We are all domestic terrorists…”

    -CPAC (Republicans) 2022

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  • [–] 41 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    CEO's: Second degree murder is the highest you can charge him with for killing a CEO in NY? But we want to torture him and make an example of him so the proles don't get uppity!

    DA: No problem sirs, we can make that happen.

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    [–] 40 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    See, his mistake was not killing him during a Career Day at an elementary school. If he took out kids as well, he wouldn't get a terrorism charge.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Is there any chance that the terrorism charge is so ridiculous that it actually strengthens Luigi's case and makes his defense better?

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago

    Yes because it specifically allows examining his motive from a political angle which allows the defense to question the character of the guy he shot, which increases the chance of nullification.

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    [–] 25 points 2 years ago (31 children)

    From what the manifesto found on him allegedly said, it sounds like his actions were politically motivated. And violence in pursuit of a political goal is kinda the definition of terrorism.

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  • [–] 57 points 2 years ago (13 children)

    George Washington used violence to advance his political agenda of a sovereign USA. Was George a terrorist?

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    [–] 22 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It's more of an assassination in my opinion.

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