Ethnic Minorities and People of Color
Official Title of this Community: Ethnic Minorities and People of Color
Why is the title different?
We like to have fun here.
What is this place? A safe space for underrepresented peoples and peoples of color to talk, chill, and vibe.
What are the basic rules of the community?
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Follow Lemmy TOS and Community Guidelines. Non negotiable. This is the bedrock and mods will make decisions with this always in mind.
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This community is for ethnic minorities and people of color. This is a safe space where such people can freely discuss their struggles, insight, and thoughts without fear. If you are not, we respectfully ask you do not post or comment here. A future community will be established to allow for racial discussions with a mixed userbase. However, remember, comments here must still respect Lemmy TOS and Community Guidelines.
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Irony Racism is still racism. Racism is bad m'kay? We will treat irony racism and bad faith racist satire as racism. Will wield the ban hammer accordingly.
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No sectarianism: This is an identity channel not a channel for you all to complain about why XYZ isn't the "one true leftism". Take that to another place.
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Stupidpol is not allowed. Stupidpol is class reductionist. We are an identity community. Thinking like stupidpol ignores the struggles of the oppressed, their voices, and their need for unique support. Nothing says oppression more than someone saying that the identity you have is "not real" and that if you only thought like them you'd see what your "real" identity is. Mods reserve the right to ban users and content who promote stupidpol, stupidpol memes, and other class reductionist thinking.
FAQ
I don't look XYZ and/or sometimes I can pass as white so I don't know if I can post here. Can I?
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This place is for ethnic minorities and people of color. This includes those of mixed heritage and those who may be "white" but are of an ethnicity that is a minority in their area (i.e. Kurds, etc) If you've experienced oppression due to your identity that is not based on sexual / gender identification, you are welcome here.
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Moreover, for our American audience, we have people from around the world who are "white" but are oppressed due to being a minority in their country. They are and should be welcomed here.
What can I post?
- Anything you think is relevant to the mission of this community. Things will evolve over time.
- Topics and things relevant to EM and POC.
Suggested Posts
- [People of Spice]: Food recipes so others can taste your culture
- [Theory]: Vid/podcasts/websites discussing issues relevant to identity, anti-imperialism, etc
- [News]: Vids/podcasts/websites that talk about current events relevant to EM and POC
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My bad, this is the exchange I was vagueposting about.
I mean I'm very open to being wrong about stuff, but uhhh... I don't get it. Z Poster took some kind of victory lap about how my heuristic fell flat on it's face, but I really wasn't following by that point, so I disengaged. The hexbears all seem big brained enough to get it though judging from the votes, but nobody elae cared to elaborate.
Maybe my comment got seen as "syrian people should be so happy to be liberated by good guys HTS", but that feels like a stretch to me to interpret it that way idk
You and frauddog stumbled into the middle of a vague posting thread about a specific current we had noticed in the news thread of people who were being pro-HTS and celebrating the fall of Assad.
That is the context. So frauddog essentially came in blasting all the white anti-imperialists and scolding them for not listening to comprador Arab shitlibs who don’t understand that the death of Syria is the death of Palestine and the axis of resistance. I have family and friends, all Arabs, who celebrated Assad’s fall because they are incoherent and kind of stupid libs. I don’t think principled communists who spend all day analyzing news with a Marxist analysis should cede even an inch to these people.
I’m the one being de-colonial hardliner here, yet you misinterpreted the context and claim I’m a white supremacist or whatever the fuck because I put compradors on blast.
I never once said “not all white people” I think I was quite clear I don’t give a fuck about defending white people. I was pointing out how colonizers launder their views through token compradors and that we can’t necessarily trust someone just because they aren’t white. Look at the fucking Palestinian Authority and the kingdom of Jordan, look at those craven self-hating cucks and tell me we should respect "subjects of empire" automatically without scrutiny.
Like I said in the news mega, I interpreted the comment as an offhanded quip akin to "omfg that's so relatable" to an experience that is genuinely very relatable (at least to me). So I think interpreting it as
is going a bit far. Especially on a website where people are commonly shut down and ridiculed for existing-as-poc. If you wanted to go in on that line of thinking, you could have started a couple of comments up the chain (which was all about this same topic and much more explicitly so), instead of going for the comment that might make the majority white anglo userbase even just consider for a second their own systemic role in the lives of poc. That's my opinion.
But I do see where you're coming from better now, so I appreciate your reply. God knows I can relate to being surrounded by family chuds.
Free Palestine, from the river to the sea and death to america.
Thank you for the context, comrade
My comment wasn't solely directed at you, you are definitely not the only person that does that
Edit: oh my god i meant to say youre not the only person
Honestly, I'm over that one. Just another not-like-us tryna browbeat us into accepting tacit white supremacy as the law of the world; that's the exact kind of mf my blocklist made for.
Next I'm finna have to hear crackers and foreign mfs who don't even live here and know nothing of our culture talm bout 'Black liberation and nationalism is "inherently reactionary" and "counterrevolutionary"'(in a country that has no real left) (don't laugh!) if we're not willing to fight for the same mfs enslaving us two hundred years ago
EDIT: Also, if someone can point out to me where "I'm pretty sure every single one of us has a story about getting talked over by a cracker" cosigns Al Qaeda zionists, I'd love to see it; 'cause mfs stay talkin out the sides of their necks apparently. It went from "I'm pretty sure every single one of us has a story about getting talked over by a cracker" (a neutral, all-around perennial, 'every single melanated subject-of-empire has a story LIKE this' statement), to "wElL sOmE oF tHoSe "cRaCkErS" aRe CoMmUnIsTs" at which point I say "y'know what, I'm not doing this, fuck off." At which point it was failed to fuck off so uhm.
The fuck? How does "some of those crackers are actually communists" not come off as going to bat for klan-assed mfs? And why do these crackers and coons from the news mega get to totally disregard disengagement from the thread?
I know someone was just making fun of this kind of response in this same thread lol, but your edit makes me feel less like I'm going mad. As for the disengagement, I guess it was only applied to your posts specifically.
I think I just got blackpilled on "em_poc and mutual_aid are the only useable part of the site", but I probably won't stop despair posting on the disabled mega at least
They are an arab-american from their comments, but that doesnt stop him from being obnoxious
My apologies but we cant call other poc white for being in defense of white supremacist tactics. We've had some issues with false accusations of whiteness in the past and we dont want that.
the user in question is Egyptian I believe
White Supremacist tactics? I think you have me confused. I'm the kind of hardliner anti-imperialist 3rd worldist who wants the complete and total destruction of the white supremacist west. I wouldn't blink at any amount of terror inflicted upon the USA/Israel or its accomplices.
The context of these comments is discussion around Syrians or Sunni Muslims from the region posting about how relieved they and their families are Assad is overthrown and Sunni supremacists have taken power.
I’m Arab and have a family full of Arab shitlibs who also celebrated the defeat of Assad.
The defeat of Assad is the defeat of Gaza and Palestine, it’s the destruction of the axis of resistance. I am sick and tired of my fellow Arabs around me cheering on Zionist victories like idiots, and then to see that sentiment here too pushed me to being quite angry. People cheering for the genocide of Palestine essentially because they are too stupid to realize they have been duped, or possibly people abandoning Palestine and retreating into their own reactionary sectarian squabbles because it's easier. Oh zionists appears to be winning against Palestine? Nevermind I don't care about Palestine now I care about "sunni oppression" by the Alawite menace or whatever the fuck idiocy they've been sold by the turks and daesh, let's ignore the massize Israeli invasion and landgrab and bombing campaigns and just imagine we don't have to fight them - just like the other arab states delude themselves.
Frauddog walked into the middle of that vagueposting context, and perhaps didn’t understand what they were defending. Their argument in that context meant that people on the news mega should shut up and listen to comprador HTS softpeddling. That we were wrong to critically support Assad and should have listened to Al Qaeda Zionists instead.
You might see where my sentiment is coming from that I don’t think white communists here on this site should defer to the standard Arab position because the standard Arab position is a shitlib Zionist comprador one. The axis of resistance is the decolonial force in the region, and HTS are NATO-backed colonizers. The majority users on this site, at least in the news mega, have a better grasp on the situation in the Middle East than my family members do, and they have a more correct and decolonial analysis. They shouldn’t shut up and listen to compradors, they have a firm Marxist analysis why would they toss that away in favor of some Arab liberal views?
I come to this site to escape stupid muslim sectarian reactionary nonsense that surrounds me and find fellow decolonial marxists who would support pan-arabism. Maybe this context helps you put together why I don't think the "stupid white commies of the news mega" should bow before the HTS apologists, and what I was talking about when I was speaking of "reactionary and imperialist narratives" pushed by compradors. Go into arab speaking social media around the fall of Assad to see the absolute shit show, 50% of those people really are brainwashed by zionists into believing in an alternate reality. UAE, Turks, Qatar, Saudis are all pushing this zionist anti-zionism. People with Palestine flags cheering on Hezbollah being surrounded by Israel, cheering American proxies taking power and Iran getting punched in the nose.
Oh I see...
I, too, oppose takfiri salafiist zionist-aligned interests, of the Khaleej and Turkiye
And let's be honest. Outside of the em_poc mega, the news mega has the highest concentration of POC users. It's extraordinary silly for the place with the highest percentage of POC users to go after the place with the second highest percentage of POC users. And not every POC newshead has ever participated in the em_poc mega. Honestly, most of them haven't. If anything, there should be an alliance of sorts between the two megas. If the news mega somehow disappears or moves to a different instance, Hexbear will be even whiter with shittier politics to boot than it is right now.
while i think the intentions of this are good there is still soo much unchallenged bigotry (antiblackness specificly), toxicity, debate pervertism, in the news com. there is also a strange worshiping of whiteness and white men that goes on there that is unsettling. i dont think this "allience" would result in anything positive until such issues are addressed. lastly ive have TWO poc news mega users leaver yesterday and many more over the past 2 month and almost all the ones ive mannaged to talk to have mentioned the toxicity of the news mega being a main reason for them leaving. so yeah i dont think youre on the ball here.
The news mega is also basically the only place I can see Non-American perspectives on the site. The anger from that thread I saw seemed to be Americans wandering into a thread that's internationally focused, spouting something trying to be relatable I guess but came off unrelated and directly contradictory to the current problem they were talking about at worst, then getting mad when it was pushed back on.
I wonder if American POC perspectives can be shocked when they wander into that thread just as much as American white perspectives, leading to confusing cross talk life this. The original poster was talking any colonizer-colonized dynamics, and how the colonized can be tricked by a lack of knowledge of international Imperialist relations. Not victims of white supremacy in the Imperial core getting talked over by well meaning but privileged white people, a very different, very American-centric problem. There are different priorities, allies, etc for these different groups, and coming in second when the context is already established and then getting mad the person doesn't accept your attempt to shift the conversation to their problems seems kinda, idk, bleh. Entitled? Idk the word. It maybe would've been more relatable if they talked about, "ya, it sucks when the Candace Owen, Ben Carson, and the Herman Cain's of the world come in as a member of the colonized class but talk like white supremacists". That's a bit more related to the original topic at hand in that particular thread everyone is talking about. For the record, if the latter problem was talked about first, then ya, I'd see the problem, but the conversation was already set in the other context.
But maybe I'm lucky. I feel sorta new here and haven't seen too much antiblackness in there yet. Seem some strange worshipping of white men, but it's definitely felt less racist than mainstream American news at least. The EM POC and News mega have been a fresh of breath air since I joined and would hate to see either leave, for different reasons.
With regards to Hexbear not being a welcoming space for POC people, the primary contradiction is the fact that Hexbear is 85%+ white. I wouldn't consider a space to be 85% white to be safe for POC at all no matter the professed political beliefs of those white people. Just imagine getting invited to a wedding where the attendants are 85% white. The only exception is if those particular white people have been ruthlessly vetted by POC who I personally know and trust, which is impossible to do in an anonymous forum. I have said this before, but the fact that Hexbear isn't something like 60% POC is a fucking disgrace.
At the end of the day, the news mega is just a thread, and nobody quits a website over a single thread. What most likely happened is that those POC immediately knew something was up with general Hexbear, huddled into the two places on Hexbear that isn't 85% white (here and the news mega), and got burned out by the news mega for various reasons.
There has been talk among some news mega regulars that the news mega should move to a different site. If you think the new mega is such a problem, then you should be happy. The news mega can fuck off to a different website, and nobody here has to put up with their bullshit anymore. But I suspect that it would be a monkey's paw situation. Just look at all the new people coming in from Bluesky. They're basically all white, and none of them have been vetted to be safe around POC. Not sure how it would benefit POC if Hexbear goes from 85% white to 90% white.
i have thoughts but i need to wash my hair, and also why do they want theIr own site again?
It boils down to real and imagined grievances against the admins.
One of them admitted to being a former USAmerican soldier in their bio. I would argue that the empire's band of spree killers are unsafe to be around.
This is another source of my frustration with some people here targeting the news mega. The real powder keg is the new Bluesky users. In the end, they came from a social media website where the average user is practically salivating at all the Palestinians Trump is going to deport to Gaza because the Palestinians rightfully refuse to vote for someone with Palestinian blood on their hands. Remember, the straw that broke their backs wasn't any of the heinous shit those ex blue checks said about Palestinians and other POC who refuse to vote for Harris even though election after election have shown time and time again that the number one correlation of GOP voters is whether or not they're white. Don't be surprised if one of them gets caught up in a struggle session that causes Hexbear to hemorrhage even more POC users.
i deleted it because it was too mean. let me eat and start my day, and then be less mean
Yeah...
Even ignoring puk gai pricks like him, it does feel a bit like a Moon of Alabama comment section