▲ 1220 ▼ Imperialism, authoritarianism and oppression is bad all around m'kay (lemmy.world) submitted 2 years ago by cm0002@lemmy.world to c/lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world 281 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] pimento64@sopuli.xyz 107 points 2 years ago (3 children) "NOOOOOOO you have to pick one of the two teams or you're a RADICAL CENTRIST!!!!" permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Astronauticaldb@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (2 children) Not really the point, but that's a funny little oxymoron; to be a radical anything you'd need to be actually committed to something so much that you want to do actual ground work to further a cause. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sazey@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Radical centrism: ^needs ^more ^jpeg, ^I ^know permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RarePossum@programming.dev 11 points 2 years ago You could've gone with Radial centrism though permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago It is a real thing but the term radical is used a bit different The radical in the term refers to a willingness on the part of most radical centrists to call for fundamental reform of institutions.[1] The centrism refers to a belief that genuine solutions require realism and pragmatism, not just idealism and emotion So not radical as in extremist action but radical change permalink fedilink source parent [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago Lol, this place has changed its tone a lot now that the US election is over permalink fedilink source parent [+] themeatbridge@lemmy.world -16 points 2 years ago (4 children) Now hang on. If you pretend the two teams are the same and refuse to pick a side because neither is perfect so it doesn't matter, you are an enabler of fascism. You can support a team while acknowledging their flaws. Refusing to play because the better team isn't perfect is either naive or malicious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] dmMeYourNudes@lemmynsfw.com 28 points 2 years ago (4 children) Or you can not join a team and evaluate things individually based on their merits permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Soup@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago You still have to commit to an actual decision when the times come. Adjusting each cycle is what everyone should be doing, knowing that each person will likely stay where they’re at because why wouldn’t they? permalink fedilink source parent [–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago That's what I do. Not surprisingly, the Republicans are always the worst and the only local opposition that has a slim chance of winning are Dems so I end up voting a straight Dem ticket despite refusing to register for the party. If there was an independent with a chance of winning I would consider them, but haven't seen any on the local positions. permalink fedilink source parent [–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Yeah sure that works, unless one team is the Republican party. permalink fedilink source parent [+] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world -9 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you like being ineffective at driving change, then yes this is an option. Otherwise, you'll have to work through one of the gate keepers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dmMeYourNudes@lemmynsfw.com 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) You do have to take the context of power structures around you into account, but you do not have to assimilate into tribalism to be an effective voter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Oh, absolutely true. Never call yourself a Democrat. Don't join them, use them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Once you talk about "both teams", you imply there are only two instead of supporting those who to this day resist all states permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) If you're talking about a presidential election, there are two teams. The rest of the time, you should work on your own team, but when the big race is happening, there are only two viable contenders. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) The meme is about US imperialism versus (supposedly) Chinese imperialism. And the election is over, not every meme is about that anymore. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) So the two teams are China and America? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lugal@sopuli.xyz -1 points 2 years ago Yes, it's an anti tankie meme permalink fedilink source parent [–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Shouldn't you be then using some amendment to restore democracy? Because that surely isn't democracy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago My preference is the first amendment, although progress has been slow. permalink fedilink source parent [–] pimento64@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Is this intentional misinterpretation for mischief purposes, or is this your best? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago No, I'm saying there are "radical centrists" who pretend they are above the fray and claim both sides are equally flawed, while invariably showing up to vote for conservatives. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kautau@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campism permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Astronauticaldb@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (2 children) Not really the point, but that's a funny little oxymoron; to be a radical anything you'd need to be actually committed to something so much that you want to do actual ground work to further a cause. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sazey@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Radical centrism: ^needs ^more ^jpeg, ^I ^know permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RarePossum@programming.dev 11 points 2 years ago You could've gone with Radial centrism though permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago It is a real thing but the term radical is used a bit different The radical in the term refers to a willingness on the part of most radical centrists to call for fundamental reform of institutions.[1] The centrism refers to a belief that genuine solutions require realism and pragmatism, not just idealism and emotion So not radical as in extremist action but radical change permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sazey@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Radical centrism: ^needs ^more ^jpeg, ^I ^know permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RarePossum@programming.dev 11 points 2 years ago You could've gone with Radial centrism though permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RarePossum@programming.dev 11 points 2 years ago You could've gone with Radial centrism though permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago It is a real thing but the term radical is used a bit different The radical in the term refers to a willingness on the part of most radical centrists to call for fundamental reform of institutions.[1] The centrism refers to a belief that genuine solutions require realism and pragmatism, not just idealism and emotion So not radical as in extremist action but radical change permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago Lol, this place has changed its tone a lot now that the US election is over permalink fedilink source parent
[+] themeatbridge@lemmy.world -16 points 2 years ago (4 children) Now hang on. If you pretend the two teams are the same and refuse to pick a side because neither is perfect so it doesn't matter, you are an enabler of fascism. You can support a team while acknowledging their flaws. Refusing to play because the better team isn't perfect is either naive or malicious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] dmMeYourNudes@lemmynsfw.com 28 points 2 years ago (4 children) Or you can not join a team and evaluate things individually based on their merits permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Soup@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago You still have to commit to an actual decision when the times come. Adjusting each cycle is what everyone should be doing, knowing that each person will likely stay where they’re at because why wouldn’t they? permalink fedilink source parent [–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago That's what I do. Not surprisingly, the Republicans are always the worst and the only local opposition that has a slim chance of winning are Dems so I end up voting a straight Dem ticket despite refusing to register for the party. If there was an independent with a chance of winning I would consider them, but haven't seen any on the local positions. permalink fedilink source parent [–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Yeah sure that works, unless one team is the Republican party. permalink fedilink source parent [+] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world -9 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you like being ineffective at driving change, then yes this is an option. Otherwise, you'll have to work through one of the gate keepers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dmMeYourNudes@lemmynsfw.com 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) You do have to take the context of power structures around you into account, but you do not have to assimilate into tribalism to be an effective voter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Oh, absolutely true. Never call yourself a Democrat. Don't join them, use them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Once you talk about "both teams", you imply there are only two instead of supporting those who to this day resist all states permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) If you're talking about a presidential election, there are two teams. The rest of the time, you should work on your own team, but when the big race is happening, there are only two viable contenders. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) The meme is about US imperialism versus (supposedly) Chinese imperialism. And the election is over, not every meme is about that anymore. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) So the two teams are China and America? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lugal@sopuli.xyz -1 points 2 years ago Yes, it's an anti tankie meme permalink fedilink source parent [–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Shouldn't you be then using some amendment to restore democracy? Because that surely isn't democracy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago My preference is the first amendment, although progress has been slow. permalink fedilink source parent [–] pimento64@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Is this intentional misinterpretation for mischief purposes, or is this your best? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago No, I'm saying there are "radical centrists" who pretend they are above the fray and claim both sides are equally flawed, while invariably showing up to vote for conservatives. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kautau@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campism permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dmMeYourNudes@lemmynsfw.com 28 points 2 years ago (4 children) Or you can not join a team and evaluate things individually based on their merits permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Soup@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago You still have to commit to an actual decision when the times come. Adjusting each cycle is what everyone should be doing, knowing that each person will likely stay where they’re at because why wouldn’t they? permalink fedilink source parent [–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago That's what I do. Not surprisingly, the Republicans are always the worst and the only local opposition that has a slim chance of winning are Dems so I end up voting a straight Dem ticket despite refusing to register for the party. If there was an independent with a chance of winning I would consider them, but haven't seen any on the local positions. permalink fedilink source parent [–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Yeah sure that works, unless one team is the Republican party. permalink fedilink source parent [+] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world -9 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you like being ineffective at driving change, then yes this is an option. Otherwise, you'll have to work through one of the gate keepers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dmMeYourNudes@lemmynsfw.com 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) You do have to take the context of power structures around you into account, but you do not have to assimilate into tribalism to be an effective voter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Oh, absolutely true. Never call yourself a Democrat. Don't join them, use them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Soup@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago You still have to commit to an actual decision when the times come. Adjusting each cycle is what everyone should be doing, knowing that each person will likely stay where they’re at because why wouldn’t they? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago That's what I do. Not surprisingly, the Republicans are always the worst and the only local opposition that has a slim chance of winning are Dems so I end up voting a straight Dem ticket despite refusing to register for the party. If there was an independent with a chance of winning I would consider them, but haven't seen any on the local positions. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Yeah sure that works, unless one team is the Republican party. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world -9 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you like being ineffective at driving change, then yes this is an option. Otherwise, you'll have to work through one of the gate keepers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dmMeYourNudes@lemmynsfw.com 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) You do have to take the context of power structures around you into account, but you do not have to assimilate into tribalism to be an effective voter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Oh, absolutely true. Never call yourself a Democrat. Don't join them, use them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dmMeYourNudes@lemmynsfw.com 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) You do have to take the context of power structures around you into account, but you do not have to assimilate into tribalism to be an effective voter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Oh, absolutely true. Never call yourself a Democrat. Don't join them, use them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Oh, absolutely true. Never call yourself a Democrat. Don't join them, use them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Once you talk about "both teams", you imply there are only two instead of supporting those who to this day resist all states permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) If you're talking about a presidential election, there are two teams. The rest of the time, you should work on your own team, but when the big race is happening, there are only two viable contenders. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) The meme is about US imperialism versus (supposedly) Chinese imperialism. And the election is over, not every meme is about that anymore. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) So the two teams are China and America? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lugal@sopuli.xyz -1 points 2 years ago Yes, it's an anti tankie meme permalink fedilink source parent [–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Shouldn't you be then using some amendment to restore democracy? Because that surely isn't democracy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago My preference is the first amendment, although progress has been slow. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) If you're talking about a presidential election, there are two teams. The rest of the time, you should work on your own team, but when the big race is happening, there are only two viable contenders. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) The meme is about US imperialism versus (supposedly) Chinese imperialism. And the election is over, not every meme is about that anymore. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) So the two teams are China and America? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lugal@sopuli.xyz -1 points 2 years ago Yes, it's an anti tankie meme permalink fedilink source parent [–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Shouldn't you be then using some amendment to restore democracy? Because that surely isn't democracy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago My preference is the first amendment, although progress has been slow. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) The meme is about US imperialism versus (supposedly) Chinese imperialism. And the election is over, not every meme is about that anymore. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) So the two teams are China and America? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lugal@sopuli.xyz -1 points 2 years ago Yes, it's an anti tankie meme permalink fedilink source parent
[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) So the two teams are China and America? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lugal@sopuli.xyz -1 points 2 years ago Yes, it's an anti tankie meme permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz -1 points 2 years ago Yes, it's an anti tankie meme permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Shouldn't you be then using some amendment to restore democracy? Because that surely isn't democracy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago My preference is the first amendment, although progress has been slow. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago My preference is the first amendment, although progress has been slow. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pimento64@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Is this intentional misinterpretation for mischief purposes, or is this your best? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago No, I'm saying there are "radical centrists" who pretend they are above the fray and claim both sides are equally flawed, while invariably showing up to vote for conservatives. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago No, I'm saying there are "radical centrists" who pretend they are above the fray and claim both sides are equally flawed, while invariably showing up to vote for conservatives. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kautau@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campism permalink fedilink source parent