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[–] 110 points 2 years ago (18 children)

Remember folks: China is communist in the same way that North Korea is democratic and the Nazis were socialist.

It's just a smokescreen.

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  • [–] 50 points 2 years ago* (5 children)

    A core tenant of socialism is a democratized workplace, being able to vote for your wage and company policy, like an Engineer choosing when to launch the rocket instead of some MBS degree.

    Last time I checked I dont think factory workers in China that make all our shit can do that.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (55 children)

    Eh, there's a notional aspiration to socialism at least, which is more than can be said about the US sphere of countries.

    In practice though? Yeah, China is hyper-captialist, without much of the social security present in wealthier countries.

    Why Leftist get a hard-on for the former USSR, Russia and China, or frankly any country, is beyond me.

    There are positive and negative outcomes in line or against socialist ideals everywhere (I think people are too black and white about China in both directions personally)

    I just do not understand simping for any country, just because they are "socialist".

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    That notional aspiration to socialism is basically the ideological smokescreen. It was much more effective in the Cold War era, but it condenses down to: "Suffer through our version of (state) capitalism and exploitative labour for our capital accumulation" - be it by state institutions or even state-sponsored billionaires - "and at the end of it, we promise, there will be communism."

    But that "communism" then tends to be like nuclear fusion - always 20 years away.

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    [–] 107 points 2 years ago (20 children)

    "NOOOOOOO you have to pick one of the two teams or you're a RADICAL CENTRIST!!!!"

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Not really the point, but that's a funny little oxymoron; to be a radical anything you'd need to be actually committed to something so much that you want to do actual ground work to further a cause.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago

    It is a real thing but the term radical is used a bit different

    The radical in the term refers to a willingness on the part of most radical centrists to call for fundamental reform of institutions.[1] The centrism refers to a belief that genuine solutions require realism and pragmatism, not just idealism and emotion

    So not radical as in extremist action but radical change

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    [–] 78 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    You are banned from /c/hexbear

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  • [–] 39 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    lemmygrad, and lemmy.ml 😭

    Learnt this the hard way, my first account was on lemmy.ml

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Lemmy.ml is a default instance, so many newbies start there and find out how the admins operate there. So that's a funny thing with lemmy

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  • [–] 56 points 2 years ago (17 children)

    This is just like how I can praise so many things about China, push back against anti-China US propaganda, and still not pretend it isn’t an authoritarian regime where Xi made himself essentially life time president now.

    Speaking of that, are there any left leaning subs that aren’t delusional?

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    [–] 27 points 2 years ago (4 children)
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    [–] 24 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

    Really though, the level of imperialism apologizing I've seen has been pretty humorous on this platform. Like people will say with a straight face that we need to support our client state Israel to secure our regional interests. It's the same song and dance from the concert of Europe giving guns to the corrupt African client kings so they can murder the other guy's corrupt African client kings. All for the noble civilizing influence of the state. But this time it'll turn out different. Just like it was different every other fucking time an empire ideologically justified it's imperialism. Because this one time is exceptional, unlike all the other instances of exceptionalism. Furthermore, I consider Carthage to need to be destroyed

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Really though, the level of imperialism apologizing I’ve seen has been pretty humorous on this platform. Like people will say with a straight face that we need to support our client state Israel to secure our regional interests.

    Is this being federated from some platform other than Lemmy? Because I have literally never seen someone support that position here.

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    [–] 20 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    No no, you don't understand. America bad, therefore anything against America is automatically good. It doesn't matter who it is or what they do.

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    [–] 17 points 2 years ago (1 child)
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    [–] 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

    As a Venezuelan who's against Yankee imperialism and our current oppressive """""Socialist""""" government, I approve this message.

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    [–] 12 points 2 years ago

    I think people should separate

    A) ideal world they want
    B) what has to be done now to survive because everyone is an asshole

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (15 children)

    The US is the biggest source of imperialism in the world. We don't have to always follow that up with "butwhatabout" to distract from that, which is what the US media machine does by running stories all the time to manufacture consent for its own imperialism.

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    [–] 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    How is this a shitpost? there's no shit!

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