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Two-thirds of Americans think Trump tariffs will lead to higher prices, poll says
(www.theguardian.com)
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If 2/3 of people seemingly understand the truth, how tf was he voted back in? Can they get rid of the outdated electoral college system yet?
Electoral college was irrelevant this election. Trump won the popular vote because people don't think voting is important. Kamala Harris was a shit candidate, but Democratic voters weren't given a primary to pick a better one.
While the Electoral College did not directly factor into this election it could have indirectly factored in due to minority voters in solidly controlled states simply deciding not to vote due to their votes having no impact on the outcome. If for instance you were a Democrat in a state that Republicans have won by double digit percentages for the last couple decades you might rightly assume that whether you vote or not the outcome remains unchanged.
If we had a straight popular vote rather than the EC then literally every vote would count, unlike the current system where that's only true in battleground states. In this case the EC is just another in a long list of voter suppression tools.
Mandatory voting?
Make not voting cause you to be chosen first for jury duty.
Personally, I've never minded jury duty, but people seem to lose their minds over it.
I don't want to potentially be judged by people who can't even be fucked to vote, thank you very much.
Do you want to be judged by someone who isn’t smart enough to get out of jury duty?
I'd agree, except do we really want to emphasize the least engaged citizens for jury duty? That's still someone's freedom on the line, and while for some select few people finding a chance to vote is extremely difficult due to registration fuckery in Republican states, with the rise of early voting and vote by mail, the primary demographic of non-voting adults is people who are apathetic or intentionally ignorant to the political process. My fear is: "This is a waste of my time, and 30 days isn't that long; just send them to jail." And there won't be anyone who cares strongly enough to object because the jury is packed with these apathetic citizens. To clarify, I see this as more of a problem with small-fry misdemeanor or less serious felony cases, not like murder or rape trials. But that's most trials.
You could argue that politically engaged Republicans can be much, much worse on a jury, that this could help them develop a sense of engagement with politics, and that they might care if they can see their choice directly affecting someone else, but it seems sketchy.
When we don't get paid because we miss work and are dependent on that money, it can be annoying. In theory, I think it would be cool to be on a jury, but its a luxury to be able to afford to be on a jury.
I guess it depends on where you are. In my city, you get 150% of minimum wage/hour of jury duty, so $18 an hour. Though of course if you make more than that and are paid hourly, it's a definite loss.
My state pays $20/day. The last time I was summoned, the estimated cost of the commute using the IRS average is $35 (granted, that's a high estimate) and not reimbursed or compensated. Also the $20 is taxed. So it effectively cost me money to go to jury duty in my old county even before accounting for lost wages.
Oof - yeah, that's garbage.
I never understood the hatred over jury duty. Except for people who work minimum wage or don't get paid jury duty.
Jury duty is the most direct way a normal citizen can affect democracy.
I vote in every primary and every election and have never been selected for jury duty.
Which implies I have no peers.
While I too want more people to participate, I think we should also recognize that choosing not to vote is protected speech. That's probably not why people don't vote, so we should probably find other ways to encourage voting (holiday, more access to polls, etc.) Unfortunately, some repulsive people prefer it when fewer people vote.
For protected speech, I'd prefer if people would go in, take a ballot, and submit it blank. Essentially, making a statement that there is no one on the ballot who would represent them. It would be more meaningful than not going to the polling place at all. It sends a more significant message than just staying home.
I do agree that we need to make it easier, not harder, to vote.
Automatic registration, election day holiday, laws forcing employers to facilitate voting by their employees.
"If you are going to protest at least do it exactly the way I think you should."
Well, perhaps you should do it in a way that doesn't appear exactly like you actually can't be bothered to do anything.
Matter of perspective. Its not important that you think their action has no effect, its important that they think their action has effect.
Neither perspective is really wrong or right absolutely. We won't know which is right for so many decades that its useless to declare one perspective entirely baseless.
The new suppressed it, or the democrats restricted who could run, or anything else, but stop telling me the primary I voted in didn't happen.
It did happen, it was just irrelevant. No serious competition was allowed (Sorry, Dean Phillips).
This is fair. It was a bad primary
Was Kamala on your ballot? If the results of an election are ignored, was it really an election?
I'm not going to say that people were so stupid that they didn't realize a vote for Biden was really a vote for Kamala.
What a weird reality you live in. Especially funny given that Kamala came in almost dead last in the 2020 primary that Biden won.
Democracy depends on an informed public. The Democrats concealed Biden's mental decline so, arguably, a vote for Biden wasn't even a vote for Biden.
Also, an election without adequate media coverage and no debates makes a mockery of the idea of an informed electorate. That's how they run elections in Russia or North Korea, not in a functioning democracy. If you don't have higher standards than that, you don't deserve democracy.
Less than a third of eligible voters voted for him, so it tracks. Close to half the country not voting suggests they understand tariffs, but either just fine paying 20% extra for everything or don't believe he'll actually do the things he's been most vocal about doing.
Most voters are dumber than dogshit. Can’t blame the EC for this one. Blame the fucking dumbass voters.
Trump won with less than 20% of the vote if you count all eligible voters, he won because most people stayed home.
The guy didn't even get the majority of the votes.