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Declarations of the imminent doom of Ukraine are a news megathread specialty, and this is not what I am doing here - mostly because I'm convinced that whenever we do so, the war extends another three months to spite us. Ukraine has been in an essentially apocalyptic crisis for over a year now after the failure of the 2023 counteroffensive, unable to make any substantial progress and resigned to merely being a persistent nuisance (and arms market!) as NATO fights to the last Ukrainian. In this context, predicting a terminal point is difficult, as things seem to always be going so badly that it's hard to understand how and why they fight on. In every way, Ukraine is a truly shattered country, barely held together by the sheer combined force of Western hegemony. And that hegemony is weakening.

I therefore won't be giving any predictions of a timeframe for a Ukrainian defeat, but the coming presidency of Trump is a big question mark for the conflict. Trump has talked about how he wishes for the war to end and for a deal to be made with Putin, but Trump also tends to change his mind on an issue at least three or four times before actually making a decision, simply adopting the position of who talked to him last. And, of course, his ability to end the war might be curtailed by a military-industrial complex (and various intelligence agencies) that want to keep the money flowing.

The alignment of the US election with the accelerating rate of Russian gains is pretty interesting, with talk of both escalation and de-escalation coinciding - the former from Biden, and the latter from Trump. Russia very recently performed perhaps the single largest aerial attack of Ukraine of the entire war, striking targets across the whole country with missiles and drones from various platforms. In response, the US is talking about allowing Ukraine to hit long-range targets in Russia (but the strategic value of this, at this point, seems pretty minimal).

Additionally, Russia has made genuine progress in terms of land acquisition. We aren't talking about endless and meaningless battles over empty fields anymore. Some of the big Ukrainian strongholds that we've been spending the last couple years speculating over - Chasiv Yar, Kupiansk, Orikhiv - are now being approached and entered by Russian forces. The map is actually changing now, though it's hard to tell as Ukraine is so goddamn big.

Attrition has finally paid off for Russia. An entire generation of Ukrainians has been fed into the meat grinder. Recovery will take, at minimum, decades - more realistically, the country might be permanently ruined, until that global communist revolution comes around at least. And they could have just made a fucking deal a month into the war.


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[–] [email protected] 55 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

random stuff pulled out from the Polish osint guy's last interview from Friday:

  • The Yuzhmash factory in Dnepropetrovsk had around 40k employees during the late USSR years, it made ballistic missiles but also other stuff like trolleybuses. It kept producing and servicing stuff for the Russian army like the R-36M ICBMs. After the 2014 coup in Ukraine it lost 80% of its business. In 2018 it had around 7k contract workers left and it has been making ballistic missiles like the Hrim-2 for the Ukrainian army, so it makes sense it would be a strike target for Russia.

  • He suspects the Russians notified the west about a return strike when the embassies started closing and not 30 mins before the strike like Peskov said.

  • Pro-Ukrainian propaganda is saying the Oreshnik strike is no big deal actually because 'Russia only has a few of these missiles' and also the 'US is going to reverse engineer it from the scraps at Yuzhmash'. Dnepropetrovsk has at least one Patriot system, which failed to intercept it.

  • He thinks the new missile is called Oreshnik because it looks like a hazel flower when it comes down.

  • In his short address Putin said Russia reserves the right to attack objects belonging to countries that have shared weapons with Ukraine which were used for attacks on Russian territory. Since he said 'objects' and not 'territory' that could for example mean submarine strikes on UK/French military bases in the Caribean sea or in Africa.

  • Some pro-Ukrainian analysts say one Zircon missile got shot down over Kyiv, but he's not convinced.

  • Ukraine has Patriot-Fs (newer model) because one was identified after kinetically intercepting an Iskander-M over Odessa and falling down.

  • There's a bit about the Russian nuclear doctrine update but it's long enough for another post. The previous version's language was more precise and listed a range of specific scenarios, the new one is much more loose about the qualifying circumstances. Russian military bases abroad and military ships are covered now. Belarusian territory is mentioned now.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 days ago

'Russia only has a few of these missiles'

One has gotta be an idiot to keep falling for this, even my apolitical mom doesn't buy the "russians will just run out of weapons" BS

[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Pro-Ukrainian propaganda is saying ... the US is going to reverse engineer it from the scraps at Yuzhmash

???

yes, I'm sure the missiles that vaporized an entire factory complex totally left behind "scraps" what the fuck are these people even on about

(leaving a regular twitter link here since xcancel doesn't seem to highlight the specific post in a thread properly)

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 days ago

Those stupid Ruzzian Orcs! They can't even figure out how to use indoor plumbing 🤣🤣🤣 they delivered their finest horrors beyond human comprehension directly to our weapons factory to be reverse engineered by our superior Western brain pans! It's a pyrrhic victory in the end that we can't use that factory actually, Russia will soon learn the consequences of their actions when we send one of these their way in 2-3 decades!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

Russia only has a few of these missiles' and also the 'US is going to reverse engineer it from the scraps at Yuzhmash'. Dnepropetrovsk has at least one Patriot system, which failed to intercept it.

Might be true at this point in time that Russia only have a few operational Conventional Prompt Strike (CPS) weapons, but they can easily make more, of Oreshnik and other types that we may not know about (Putin mentioned work on a whole arsenal of medium and intermediate range systems in his second speech).

There's no need for reverse engineering, the United States has envisioned and prototyped similar systems in the past, based off of MIRV capable Trident SLBMs and Minuteman III ICBMs. MIRV kinetic penetrators, and tungsten submunitions were suggested. Now the question is if the US would ever give Ukraine a CPS weapon, and in my opinion, I cannot see that happening at all. There is no way Ukraine is going to get given such a weapon by the United States.

There's no chance for the patriot system to intercept it as when the missile is in one piece, it's flying above it's engagement envelope. By the time the MIRVs are deployed, you've got 6 re entry vehicles travelling at Mach 10+, and once they deploy their submunitions, 36 munitions travelling at Mach 10+. It's simply too much to intercept, too many projectiles moving too fast.

He thinks the new missile is called Oreshnik because it looks like a hazel flower when it comes down.

It absolutely does look like that, I see it now.