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Well, it is obviously a special military operation to denazify and demilitarise the terrorist militia of other country, because it threatens peace and security. /s
Seriously, isn't this like called a war declaration or something? If you bomb another country and move in troops and kill civilians?
There wasn't much declarations of war since ww2. Even the US was only technically at war when Panama declared war on them after the US invaded them. Ukraine isn't technically at war with Russia, they actually do business together transferring gas to Europe. The world is strange.
The US formally declared war on Iraq and Afghanistan. That's what an AUMF is.
Not according to the Senate
Yeah well there's no accounting for them being too dumb to remember they passed the War Powers Act specifically to prevent the President from conducting war without a declaration. And that they specifically voted for the AUMFs as designated by the War Powers Act.
It's literally the vehicle by which they exercise that constitutional power. Of course they would then have to admit they declared official war on the concept of terrorism.
The first paragraph makes that pretty clear, but they added two more just to make it crystal clear.
Click here for the actual text of the law.
Edit - I just went ahead and added them. I am so tired of this purely semantic argument meant to make the US look worse than it is.
That's kinda the point. There are no "Afghanistan" or "Iraq" in AUMF and it was used to wage wars unrelated to 9/11.
So AQ didn't fly the planes?
I don't get what this question is about.
~~Go read the text of the 2001 and 2002 AUMFs. It will become clear.~~
Actually, stand by, I'll bring it in again.
September 18th, 2001 AUMF
That same day NYT printed an article saying Bush wanted Bin Laden Dead or Alive. So everyone knew exactly which country was being talked about. It was made broad though so AQ couldn't just go hide elsewhere.
October 16th 2002
I think that one is pretty self explanatory.
Iirc, there were 11? Saudis on that plane, 2 Iraqis. When planes were grounded and couldn't fly into or out of the USA, the Saudi royalty and entouragewere allowed to fly out. Then there was Bandi Bush.
Who were members of Al Qaeda, not the Saudi military.
Ah youre talking about what hamas and hezbola have been doing.
Yep, actually I am as well. War crimes can be committed by both sides.