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The really funny thing about this is OP is egregiously wrong.
Soy doesn't contain estrogen, it contains phytoestrogen, which not only doesn't produce any estrogen-like side-effect, but actively prevents our bodies from taking and producing estrogenic hormones.
This is all very ironic, considering drinking ~~excessive~~ cows milk ~~leeches calcium out of our bones and~~ exposes us to a smorgasbord of hormones not designed for humans.
Soy is shit tier anyway, oat milk all the way.
This leeching effect is not true. It's a myth spread by alt-health providers.
At this point I just don't believe anything weird anyone has to say about food humanity has eaten for thousands of years unless they can back it up with real studies from real medical journals.
Right?!
Its all just marketing. We die for whatever reason anyways just let me eat in peace!
I just do this with everything that is advertised as something big. The hidden danger of food. Source? What the president of a country said about its own country. Source? Anything not trivial gets treated as misinformation unless proven.
Interesting. Got a source?
I think your initial claim of cow’s milk leeching calcium has the burden of proof and so needs a source.
Otherwise, it’s proving a negative (that cow’s milk doesn’t leech calcium).
You're right. After looking it up it seems like I've had some bad intel.
I've corrected my previous post.
I haven't totally believed this, but I also think its potentially useful to spread anyway. Sure, misinformation is bad, but so is climate change. Which one is worse?
Misinformation is always worse in the long run.
If people find out you knowingly lied about one thing, they'll assume you lied about other things that are more important, regardless of evidence.
Climate change being an excellent example of this where it wasn't so much lies as bad guesses and so many people dismissed it despite the growing evidence.
People still eat their carrots thinking it improves their vision.
I mostly agree with you, but but I haven't seen evidence either way saying it doesn't have this effect.
Just because something hasn't been proven one way or the other doesn't mean you should just believe either of them on a whim.
It's totally okay to hold beliefs tenuously and then not feel attached to them when they're proven wrong.
It happened to me here in this thread. I stated cows milk leeched calcium, but it doesn't, I was misinformed. There's no shame in admitting I was wrong, but it reminds me to be more cautious about assertions of fact in the future.
I don't want to be wrong any longer than I need to be.
But Ichiban would never!
Cow milk does not leech calcium from your bones.
Yep, my bad, I've corrected it.
also it should be leach
Doesnt cowmilk also actually have estrogen in it? Making it even more ironic?
Also cheese, eggs, meat, and even our environment due to waste products (feces, urine) generated by animal farms.
Fml, guess no more feces and urine for me, what the fuck am I gonna eat?
Yep. Mmmmm... Yummy hormones. Also delicious nipple pus.
my ma once said that because milk has estrogen in thats the sole reason why trans girls exist :(
My Mama says that alligators are ornery because they got all them teeth and no toothbrush.
You know what's great about nipple pus? You can make bacteria eat it down, then eat the resulting bacteria shit!
Add some fungus to that bacteria shit, and that's my favorite. Pair that with a yeast shit water, and it's heaven.
If soy did do this, red states would be trying to regulate it so trans people couldn't buy it.
Out of all the things you can make out of soy, why milk? Tofu exists and it's grand-master based food. I'll smash several plates of mapo tofu without hesitation. Soy sauce, edamame, all ridiculously good shit.
I disagreed with you until last night about tofu. But gods damn that orange tofu I had last night was just excellent. Good tofu is apparently something that exists and was just always out of reach
Portland has oodles of places that serve good tofu. Fried, marinated, sauce, and so on.
People keep saying it's nice, but I've never had any good stuff. I would try it again if thought there was a reasonable chance I'd like it!
It was crispy and kinda tough and tossed in orange sauce at a vaguely pan-Asian restaurant.
In which country?
USA, Midwest region
Damn, I'm in the UK so no easy way to go to the same restaurant/chain!
Yeah it’s just a small single location place anyways. I will say I don’t eat much tofu because I didn’t quit meat until I was in a relationship with someone who can’t eat soy, so it may just be common for hole in the wall East Asian restaurants to have amazing tofu
tempeh is also insanely good, and remarkably nutritious
guess how tofu is made
Basically cheese but made out of soy, afaik.
yeah specifically soy milk
Naturally, but by then it's no longer milk, it's tofu.
Personally, I prefer soy milk to cow or oat milk because it has a better nutritional profile. It has less sugar and fat, and more protein, as well as having fiber. (Some oat milk brands do have fiber in them, but most of the ones I've found are very high in fat, sugar, and calories.)
Edit: And I like the not-overpowering vanilla flavored ones because I pretty much only use it for cereal or to accompany cookies.
I've got a new dish to try with mapo tofu. Thank you for the indirect recommendation!
Amazing, prior to today I didn't know people could have this much information on soy and still end up objectively incorrect about its position relative to oat milk.
Go fuck yourself buddy. You and your non-oat-centrered world view need to check your privilege.
Nah brah, coconut milk is the choice of kings.