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[–] 68 points 2 years ago (2 children)

People aren't even giving him crediting for beating Medicare!

/s

In all seriousness though, I just can't understand how someone can watch the 2020 debate and 2024 debate, and say the only thing wrong with Biden was his voice...

Like, he wasn't great in 2020, but 2024 made it sound like Obama in comparison.

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  • [–] 32 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    The worst part is he was coherent afterwards. The fuck happened.

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  • [–] 60 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I think he was massively over coached. Trying to fight to remember a ton of talking points and then getting them muddled up and stuck in that detail. He’d have been better off just freestyling it.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago

    Seriously he just needed one or two dark brandon moments to get trump on tilt and it's smooth sailing from there. Oh well. I'll enjoy the dem campaign managers running around with their hair on fire while I can. They should've managed someone else into the spotlight years ago.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    I hate that the can't have notes, they should have a whole team up there to craft the best answer because that's what I want them to do in real life, work as a team leveraging all available resources to make the best choice

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    My bet is that Trump's stream of bullshit just threw Biden off completely, and his quick recovery to that fiery speech was him getting pissed that he got curbstomped by Shitler in a debate

    Next debate should hopefully be VERY different

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    No way should it have. In fact that should have been the literal one thing they were expecting.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Hence him getting pissed after. Embarassment due to being stomped by a strategy he knows about

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago

    I may be a shitlib for saying this but biden debated trump before and handled him. There's no reason he couldn't have handled him now, except his brain is soup. Trump's brain is likely in a similar situation, but seeing as he already spoke like a 3rd grader, the difference isn't as alarming.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    If that's what's true then both him and his prep team failed horribly. Everyone knew that was going to be Trump strategy. That's a very common conservative strategy. There's even words for it I've seen multiple YouTube videos breaking this issue down. Just a constant stream of unending lies. It's what they do. There's no way to beat it directly. The only thing you can do is scoff at it and redirect to something else.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    My bet is that Trump’s stream of bullshit just threw Biden off completely,

    So, you think during those Camp David prep sessions everyone was talking about pre debate...

    Not a single person expected trump would show up and act exactly like he has in the last two elections?

    And you think it's fine to leave these people in charge of beating trump?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    He's at his very best when it comes to small talk & happy talk with small crowds of people. Small lines, empty promises. Quick touch-and-go interactions. No opposition. In debates where he's required to explain himself, answer lines of questioning (without teleprompter), not so much.

    It's also possible he got another shot of drugs post-debate to perk him up for the crowd of his own supporters.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (14 children)

    Funny the way you mentioned Obama because you are spot on.

    Obama was by far the best US president in recent history and maybe ever. Then the Dems just went like OK we'll never ever do something like that again.

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  • [–] 44 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    and maybe ever.

    I voted for him twice and don't regret it but you're being a little too generous with this one

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago*

    G.W.Bush looks like an absolute genius compared to the shit we have today. That said, I can see why it would be easy to see Obama as one of the best, because man we're striking out...we haven't seen a non-clown contender in a while.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    Youre doing Lincoln a disservice. And Washington too.

    Obama droned a lot of kids, he really wasnt that good

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Youre doing Lincoln a disservice.

    True

    And Washington too.

    Nah, fuck him he sucked.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Then the Dems just went like OK we’ll never ever do something like that again.

    I mean, it's because instead of pulling the DNC left. He just abandoned it because it was a relic of the past and it was easier to just ignore the DNC and let state parties handle their own shit.

    His mistake was not completely burning the DNC down. So after he left office and moderates retook control in 2016, they've made a lot of moves to ensure a moderate or Republican are the only two options.

    People talk about how much Obama pissed off trump.

    But its nothing compared to how much Obama pissed off "moderates".

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago

    But its nothing compared to how much Obama pissed off “moderates”.

    Are you being fucking for real right now

    Obama, and I say this as someone who has a positive opinion of Obama insofar as one can in the political environment that he came to power in, was very much himself a moderate. He didn't 'piss off' moderates. He was one.

    Jesus Christ.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (12 children)

    Are you kidding?

    The Dems lost the house of representatives in Obama's years 3 and 4. Again in years 5 and 6. And then lost both the house of representatives and the Senate in Obama's years 7 and 8.

    And you're wondering why they didn't make a big move left after? They lost control in 3 out of 4 elections under Obama. There is more than just the presidential election you know. The left voters never showed up after the first election.

    (And imo Hilary did make a move left in climate change with the map room. And guess what, the left voters didn't show up.)

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