For years, there has been a lot of backlash against the “objectification of women”, which i can totally understand because it’s a “dehumanizing” term that looks at people like objects, not as actual human beings.

But the same is happening with the concept of “nazis”: If people are referred to as “nazis”, that means that they are being reduced to their political function; to their ability to hate.

That is a dehumanizing term. The view should be that people are humans first, and nazis second. People deserve rights, and a good life, not because they’re nazis, but because they’re humans. That is how people should be looked at.

Todas las civilizaciones de la historia de la humanidad han estado igual de convencidos que nosotros que ellos sí entendían la realidad tal como era, convencidos que sus rituales, objetos sagrados y autoridades eran la forma correcta de llegar a la verdad con el grado de certeza correcto, pero nostros sí sabemos como porque ~~chamullamos, después vemos si los chamullos parecen funcionar, vemos si funcionan varias veces tomamos notas y después discutimos al respecto~~ aplicamos el ~~ritual de turno~~ método científico? Y nuestro uso de ~~instrumentos sagrados~~ herramientas de medición que tienen 50 mil dígitos de presición, eso sí nos hace los mejores ~~divinadores del destino~~ predictores de fenómenos naturales? Ahora sí sabemos bien porque sabemos mirar cosas muy chicas y muy grandes e ignoramos todo lo que nuestros intrumentos son incapaces de percibir?

...Y esto no es dogma porque... erm...?

No lo sé, Rick... Vale la pena por lo menos considerarlo, o no?

Politeness absolutely does matter. What you see as genocide others get reported as freedom fighting. It is impossible for the lies to dissipate if there is no communication between both sides, and it's impossible for this to happen without politeness.

I agree with basically everything you say until you establish the sole culprit of all ills being a socioeconomic philosophy. Everyone's favorite culprit of the ills of society is capitalism. Not that I have any sympathy for it. It's just the flavor of subjugation that was working last century. I've also seen hypernormalization and I enjoyed it very much, but I think Curtis has the same issue you're having. Theocracies, feudalism, centrally planned economies such as those that communism often push for, monarchy and anarchy don't do any better. They all enslave people in their own ways.

The way I see it, the world is run by empires, their vassals and then there are client states and places where there's nothing to steal left. Empires stay dominant by harnessing the power of three things: thought control, warfare and slaves. Always has been like this and it still is. Show me any human society of over 100.000 people where their most underprivileged aren't being horribly abused. You might point to scandinavia, but... Who makes their phones and electronic devices? Who handpicks blueberries for them when it's winter on their hemisphere? Who ends up paying the price for the weapons, the oil and the drugs they sell?

They just managed to sweep their slavery under the rug, just like we comfortably buy our presliced bacon and have a delicious breakfast without ever having to face the death of the animals that were sacrificed for them.

If you think any system fixes what you're describing, i ask you to paint a picture for me and tell me why it will not eventually devolve into the most ruthless members within eventually getting to positions of power (be it within the private sector, the government or a dominant religious institution) and becoming even more corrupt. I don't even need any historic examples of it working. Just what it would look like.

Cause empires, societies and ideologies have life cycles, just like organisms do. Sometimes they can renew themselves and gain new strength after big events or compelling leadership come by, but they all collapse eventually. In the vedas they describe the golden age, silver age bronze age and eventually the kali yuga of societies, where corruption, depravity and distrust become so widespread the people stop believing in anything and no longer care about anything but themselves. In the west we prefer talking about decadence, and it's always the same. Be it with the mongols, the romans, the french, dutch, chinese...

The people on top get so rich it poisons their minds and alienates them from society. The hierarchies become distant from each other, a peasant or slave so far removed from an emperor, they're unable to consider each other human. The creation myth and the promises of a better tomorrow for all becomes evidently a lie and people stop finding meaning in unity.

Cults of abundance and paganism emerge (cryptobros, technocrats, ecoterrorists, utopian marxists, etc). The people that can afford to drench themselves in hedonism (all decadent empires become completely obsessed with food, sex, drugs, sports and entertainment) while the underprivileged do the shit work and die in wars. Most people stop having kids. The blatant hypocrisy makes people claim for a hero and populism emerges. Unrest comes. Revolutions start bubbling and get crushed by the forces that are kept well trained and fed by the corrupt leadership, until eventually, either some other emergent and younger empire sweeps in or a revolution becomes successful.

Doesn't really matter which of those happens. The result is the same. The poor get it the worse, the rich flee or break deals and only end up inconvenienced and humiliated but not dead, and people in between either go to other parts of the world because "fuck this place" or become slaves to the new regime, which will do the same thing all over again.

This is no different than a rotten tree falling apart and if you think killing every last capitalist, intel agent and rich person will make any difference, I'd say you're not looking at the big picture.

The problem with polarization isn't that you the powerful remain in power and keep oppressing the poor. That part's inevitable. The problem is they show weakness to foreign enemies who start sharpening their teeth. Then come the proxy wars and if a direct confrontation can be avoided, whoever loses must forever pay tribute to the victor... until it happens to them.

Nature is unfair, life is unfair and politics and societies are extremely unfair and cruel. Doesn't matter what systems or leaders you choose. Take your pick. Nations either run on warfare, slaves and propaganda, or are the victims of those that do.

maybe making them was the only thing that struck a chord with him.

Pero qué michi más sabio.

Yo le tengo fe!

Qué soñaste?

La religión:

• ✅ Promete la posibilidad de algún tipo de futuro esplendoroso
• ✅ Entrega un sistema de valores y prioridades a los que apegarse para llegar a este futuro
• ✅ Establece criterios para diferenciar cosas que están bien y mal con respecto a estos valores
• ✅ Habla de fuerzas, mecanismos o entidades que son más importantes y poderosas que el individuo pero que no son del todo comprendidas
• ✅ Cuenta con una serie de pensamientos y actividades grupales que hay que compartir y llevar a cabo (rituales) por el bien propio y de los demás.
• ✅ Tiene una serie de pensamientos prohibidos, que por solamente creerlos se está haciendo un mal. Peor incluso es hablarlos.
• ✅ Genera una serie de autoridades en su comunidad de fieles, con líderes de pensamiento que pueden orientarnos en la correcta interpretación de sus creencias y cómo aplican caso a caso.
• ✅ Motiva a algunas personas a hacer grandes sacrificios o cometer actos que en su ausencia serían impensables.
• ✅ Forma parte fundamental de la identidad individual y grupal de la gente. Las personas no meramente creen en su religión/ideología. Son de una religión.
• ✅ Genera fricciones y agresiones entre sus creyentes y aquell@s que no comparten sus valores, percibiéndolos contrarios a sus objetivos, incluso por el hecho de sólo creer en cosas incompatibles
• ✅ Cuenta con mensajeros/profetas que fueron capaces de comunicar su credo, figuras fundacionales sagradas que son objeto de veneración y una historia de personas que se consideran ejemplos a seguir de sus fieles, frecuentemente mártires que sufrieron por sus convicciones o combatieron por difundir el credo/su práctica.
• ✅ Cuenta con miembros que son incapaces de aceptar que puede existir una diferencia entre la visión de mundo que se genera a partir de sus creencias y la realidad
• ✅ Hace que muchos de sus fieles se sientan personalmente atacados si sus creencias si quiera se ponen en duda como una verdad innegable

I'm not a christian, but let's take a look at some aspects of what you're doing by posting this.

• Manufacturing a test of purity for a conviction you don't identify with
• Telling people they fail this test if they don't meet some criteria
• Gate keeping some people out of their belief system
• Causing distress on those who identify with these beliefs
• Making some people feel unwelcome
• Adding to the current trend of ideological polarization
• Hitting an easy target
• Beating a dead horse
• Conjuring approval by attacking a generally unpopular group within this context.

I say this because I've done it, and a lot more aggressively than you just did. Used to do it all the time, actually. Still do it once in a while, when frustrated. It amused me. Made me feel like I was fighting a good fight against the people and ideas that weren't helping, but the truth is, at least in my case, I was just being mean and petty to feel control over my frustrating life.

With time and after seeing the consequences of polarization within my own and several other countries, I came to believe that this kind of tribalistic aggression ends in a worse society and world for everyone.

I say let's try to make the ~~lemmyverse~~ fediverse a nicer place that what corporate social media has turned the rest of the internet into. This isn't 4chan, facebook or reddit. We can be humans here.

Even if only to stick it to Christians or whoever you dislike, there is nothing better for yourself, your community and the world than to lead by example. You know. Doing what you want to see in others. I'd really like to see more compassion. I'd like to see more respect and kindness. I don't always accomplish it, but I try to do these things myself... and you know what? After making the effort, it feels good. It actually feels good.

However you feel about my excessively moralizing rant that got out of hand, and believe it or not, I feel for you, man. I know what it's like to feel like there are people who are convinced that bad things are good and feel powerless against them. Feels pretty shitty.

Really genuinely wish you the best, hope people don't get too worked up about this post or my comment and more than anything else, I look forward to trying to make this wonderful community better every day with your help and that of every other kind and well meaning person here.

Thanks for reading and don't let your frustration get the best of you. You're too good for this stuff. <3

You know how in totalitarian regimes, they used to burn book and silence, disappear or imprison people who spoke certain things?

Whenever there is war, thought regulation gets really strict.