Asklemmy

Let’s not aspire to happiness. Your brain is not wired to be happy all the time. Everyone will always come back down to baseline it’s programmed into our biology/psychology. Maybe it’s better to be content and accept the things you already have

I think it's easier without drugs and alcohol enforcing a chemical come down that's very hard to avoid.

Does lasting mean perpetual and without breaks, or does it mean a default happy state that can of course be interrupted by life events but that will naturally revert to a default state of happiness?

Happiness simply requires you to be thankful for what you have. Not just physical objects but relationships, past times, opportunities, ideas and space to be yourself.

Most of us forget how short life is.

I'm happy. Family healthy, relationships are great. I love my job, I make good money, enjoy the work and people. I'm buying my first house soon though so perhaps may add some stress but I tend not to worry about worrying.

Sometimes I feel like a golden retriever, just happy to be around.

• No, you don’t get to have everlasting happiness
• Yes, people can be truly happy

There are no final states in life. There’s no “ever after”. Real-life stories do not end.

You can be truly happy, but it will end.

"You cannot fetch happy. Happy happens."

-Dog of Wisdom

Remind me of a South Park end of episode moral, said by Butters this time :

Goth Kid : I guess you can join up with us if you want.

Goth Kid 2 : Yeah. We're gonna go to the graveyard and write poems about death and how pointless life is.

Butters : Uh, uhm no thanks. I love life.

Stan : Huh? But you just got dumped.

Butters : Well yeah, and I'm sad, but at the same time I'm really happy that something could make me feel that sad. It's like, it makes me feel alive, you know? It makes me feel human. And the only way I could feel this sad now is if I felt somethin' really good before. So I have to take the bad with the good, so I guess what I'm feelin' is like a, beautiful sadness. I guess that sounds stupid.

Goth Kid 2 : Yeah.

Stan : No. No, Butters, that doesn't sound stupid at all.

Butters : Well, thanks for offering to let me in your clique, guys, but, to be honest, I'd rather be a crying little pussy than a faggy Goth kid.

We have ups and downs and we need both if we seek happiness.

Happiness is a choice. You can choose to see only the negative or choose to find joy and contentment in the little things you have and what you have accomplished.

There are people who live in poverty that have true happiness. There are people who are terminally I’ll who are truly happy.

Most importantly, it’s ok to seek help if you are unhappy. It’s much easier to be happy when you don’t try to take everything on by yourself.

Life is a tragedy when looked at a whole. All is given and taken away. Appreciate the little moments you get in a day. Attempt not to let the dread of reality weigh on you too much. I don't remember being anxious or worried before being alive so I have concluded for myself that life after death won't exactly be worrisome either. Don't want to die but I sure as hell don't want to spend my life worried about death as that steals my time from me.

Well. Western culture tends to be goal focused. For starters, that could be something to ditch and focus making the journey more pleasant.

Happiness or contentment? The latter is likely possible. The former? There are too many ups and downs in life, too much stress, to be happy, long-term. My mother-in-law was the closest I've seen, but she still had worries over the well-being of family members, the state of the world, and then cancer. She was content, certainly -- mostly stemming from her religious views and love for everyone -- but that's not the same as happy.

I can't imagine living a life where you are always happy. Would you even understand how happy you are without the contrast of unhappiness?

Anecdotal, but I think true happiness comes with acceptance, self reflection, and perspective. First you need to be happy with yourself, and if you aren't you need to work to improve yourself to a point where you are. Once you are accepting of yourself you can be happy with and for others. People need to stop comparing their lives to someone else's. If you truly know yourself and understand what you really want from life and what is really important to you it is much easier to be happy.

By nature it is not "possible" it is normal. If your question is whatever is it possible for humans to be happy in a society designed to make you unhappy then the answer is by definition, no.

No.

Feeling "okay" is the lasting state. You cannot feel persistent goodness without any badness to compare. Constant goodness turns to "okay".

Just like with temperature, we only feel the relative difference. If the difference is sudden and strong heat, it feels extrem. Like a rockstar getting famous and playing on stage. After these changes subside we feel the stark difference between. the hangover, the withdrawal symptoms. everything feels cold after you spent some time in warm water. Happiness is like that. You can push yourself to a new high, but afterwards you feel the difference between the high and the normal. like many said already its about having a good baseline. If you push that baseline with drugs, everything normal will feel worse.

We evolved on the hustle, we were selectively bred for marginal utility.

We don't want good, we want better.

Better than yesterday, better than the next guy, whatever, don't care. Just an uptick in one way or another.

So no, you can't sustain that indefinitely. If you're making constant gains, then that saturates very quickly, and betterer becomes the new bare minimum.

Chasing that is destructive as hell, same as any addiction.

If you work out how to work the system to use losses to keep wins cheap, you may just win at life.

Lasting happiness? There's always going to be downs as well as ups in life. Stoicism will teach you how to handle the pitfalls in life without dwelling on them and helping you to get on in life. Buddhism will help you to understand that life is full of sorrow but that the journey is it's own reward and that joy can be found anywhere.

A perpetual state of satisfaction can be reached that's liberally peppered with happiness. Happiness is not an end goal. It's the after affect of a effortful life that invites playfulness and new experiences.

The key word here is effort. Happiness should not be the main goal. Living your values. Finding a process and journey that meets your values and challenges you slightly will bring satisfaction.

Be carful of self help books and systems. Many are designed to put you on a perpetual wheel of needing more and more books to buy and classes to take. They are money generators that will tell you they offer the golden cure. And if you didn't succeed with the system in a few months then here's part two you can buy.

I do like THE HAPPINESS LAB podcast as a starting point. There's a free Yale course too. The teaching there can get you to examine some stuff.

Be kinder to yourself but do put some challenges in your way. Happiness is not about having a placid life.

It sounds like you're dealing with absolutes. Perfection is probably unattainable, but we can get exponentially close. Drugs or no drugs, that part would be more of a personal thing.

Yes. Can't claim I've reached it for myself yet but I know people who are happy and content with their lives.

I'd look into Stoocism.

I think happiness is a misunderstood concept. It's something that many people take for granted when they're young, but as they get older it seems to wane and comes with a lot more caveats. Your baseline used to be happy, but now your baseline is more neutral. You spend 80% of your time being neither happy nor sad. The idea of being happy all the time is sort of a farce, and I tend to assume people who claim to be are either lying or stupid.

Happiness is more about taking a step back from your life and viewing it all in one big picture. If you like what you see, then you can consider yourself happy, even if that doesn't mean you're smiling about it right this moment.

I think our current economic system makes that very difficult for a truly good person. In general I agree with what others are saying with respect to contentment over happiness and the fact that sorrow will always have its moments. But the current way to get to a place where you have enough to be content is largely in doing things that are about making money and not filling need. Humans typically get most satisfaction from being helpful, but our current system incentivizes selfishness and greed. It's difficult for a person who isn't naturally selfish or greedy to maintain "lasting happiness" in such a system. Although drugs might make you forget about the shittyness of our current world.

https://piped.video/watch?v=LO1mTELoj6o&t=286

The brain is a drug generator

There's a very old Denis Leary "joke" about it. I wouldn't normally take any kind of life advice from him, but this always stuck with me for some reason.

Sure. Happiness is something you need to curate, and it's a state of mind. Lowered expectations can help. I don't need a huge house and expensive cars and lots of material possessions. That is just more to maintain and pay for.

If I have my health and my family and friends are reasonably healthy/happy and I have free time to spend as I please, I'm happy. I try to play as much as I work, that's the balance that works for me.

Honestly like any emotion, happiness comes and goes, it’s not something static or permanent. I know a lot of people want to achieve lifelong happiness, but I think it’s futile since emotions are always fleeting and come back around. I think what those people seek isn’t “happiness” but satisfaction with life.

Happiness is irrelevant. You do what you need to do your duty to support yourself and your family first, then your fellow man second.