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Incandescent light bulbs are officially banned in the U.S.::America’s ban on incandescent light bulbs, 16 years in the making, is finally a reality. Well, mostly.

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[–] [email protected] 113 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Nobody's talking about the real casualty of this shift. What's going to happen to all the jokes about "how many (insert category of person here) does it take to change a light bulb?" now that people don't have to regularly change light bulbs anymore?

[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 year ago (24 children)

No single LED lightbulb I've ever purchased lasts as long as they claim. infact, many have been outlasted by existing incandescent bulbs in my house. your joke fodder is safe.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I don’t know what kind of shit LEDs you’ve been buying but I’ve yet to ever have to replace one. Been using them for many years already.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

LED's produce a lot of heat at higher "wattages". IE: the 75w+ equivalents can throw out some heat. And if its recessed in a can or upside down on a chandelier but with a decorative covering, they will often go out due to heat. Hell I have seen some with giant heatsinks on them to try and compensate.

I had a series of 150w LED's i was burning through. Eventually I moved to just replace the bulb and fixture with a ceiling light like this

LED's are also sensitive to dirty power, probably more-so than Incandescents. I have run through some because of surges and brownouts as well.

I generally use Phillips brand LED bulbs if it helps, but do have some others.

Finally, the lower wattage bulbs (ie: 10-15w equivalent) will sometimes have a "pulse" to it. Dimmer LED's also tend to do this, and you often have to tune the dimmer switch to a higher brightness for "low" to compensate.

All that said, they are still leaps and bounds better.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

I've had one or two LED bulbs die, which is why I switched to buying "energy star" rated bulbs. As part of the accreditation process, they need to certify the lifespan

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

I started switching to LEDs 8 years ago. Every single one of them is still working. It used to be that bulbs should be changed every year or two.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

Don't worry, many have shitty drivers that will fail and poor cooling that will kill the diodes.

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[–] [email protected] 80 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The U.S. is pretty late with this, compared to the European Union. Only a few special bulbs are still sold here. Apart from that, the only allowed lighting technology is LED.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Tell that to the bar I was at last night in Palermo. They had a string of festoon lights going down the laneway and every one of them was incandescent. I noticed the same in Taormina. In fact, Italy seems pretty far behind the rest of the EU when it comes to environmental concerns.....but that's for another thread.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Are you sure they were incandescent bulbs and not just LED bulbs copying the incandescent style? They make a lot of decorative LED bulbs now with straight sections of LEDs to imitate the glowing wire of an incandescent.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Are you talking about an Edison bulb?

Picture of an LED Edison bulb

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

Having grown up in the era of incandescent bulbs I remember the fancy white bulbs made with frosted glass being more expensive than the totally transparent ones you could see the glowing filament inside, because the filament was irritating to look at and the frosted ones smoothed out the light for you.

I'm very amused that we're now jumping through hoops to make skinny LEDs that can fake the look of the old filaments nobody wanted to look at back then, and those are now the fancy expensive ones.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They are not sold anymore, but whatever is left and working can still be used. Many people also bought a ton of incandescents before the selling stopped (tHe lIgHt is sO mUcH bEtTeR!!!)

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (10 children)

tHe lIgHt is sO mUcH bEtTeR!!!)

narrator voice: "but it was not"

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

for real though.. as an American I would love if we were 11 years behind the EU in lots of other areas

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 1 year ago (34 children)

I've been in the industry for over a decade and I find it fascinating how much lighting has changed in that time. When LEDs were first available, they were $60+ per bulb. Now you can get multipacks for under $10. Also, CFL bulbs were almost universally hated by everyone (and for good reason) now we no longer sell them. We strictly sell LEDs for regular lighting and we still sell incandescent specialty bulbs. Also, when LEDs first arrived there was a lot of distain for them, especially by the elderly. They wanted their energy wasting incandescent bulbs dammit! It seems the majority of them have come around because they've learned that LEDs are better.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I think the main issue with initial Led bulbs was their color was wrong. Incandescent bulbs emit light at 2700K, a nice warm white. Early LEDs emitted light at more like 5000K or there abouts, which is a really white light. Same with CFLs. Elderly people didn't like that at all. Honestly it wasn't just them, lots of people hated them for their too white of light.

Today you can get LEDs that are 2700K and/or are adjustable to what ever color you want.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Also it became a political issue as all things should be somehow

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (13 children)

The most amazing thing to me - I’ve been using leds for 10+ years, and I think I’ve had to replace one or two of them. It is a wonder that prices can come down with demand dwindling so much.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wondering if incandescents can still be sold as heat bulbs because that's what they are

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Yes they can. Also your fridge and oven will still have incandescent bulbs because more efficient lights aren't great at operating in extreme temperatures.

manufacturers can still build and stores can continue selling:

Appliance lamps, including fridge and oven lights
Black lights
Bug lamps
Colored lamps
Infrared lamps
Left-handed thread lamps
Plant lights
Floodlights
Reflector lamps
Showcase lamps
Traffic signals
Some other specialty lights, including marine lamps and some odd-sized bulbs
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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (11 children)

What is not banned?

Surprisingly, there is a whole slew of exempt special-purpose bulbs that will continue to be manufactured, according to the Energy Department. Here’s what manufacturers can still build and stores can continue selling:

  • Appliance lamps, including fridge and oven lights
  • Black lights
  • Bug lamps
  • Colored lamps
  • Infrared lamps
  • Left-handed thread lamps
  • Plant lights
  • Floodlights
  • Reflector lamps
  • Showcase lamps
  • Traffic signals
  • Some other specialty lights, including marine lamps and some odd-sized bulbs

I mean, good for the effort, but that's still a lot of exceptions.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago (11 children)

If you still have a fridge or oven that takes incandescent bulbs, isn't it better to replace the bulb than the fridge? If the point is minimal environmental impact then I think that makes sense.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (4 children)

This article is dogshit, and those are not the current exemptions. DOE revised the definition of a general service lamp on 2022 to include the majority of reflectors. The rest have miniscule sales and have technical limitations that make LED replacements difficult. It's not a lot of exemptions. When was the last time you bought a left hand thread or a colored incandescent lamp?

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

Some of these bulbs might be difficult to find in LED and there might be other considerations like shape, heat, dimmer compatibility, etc.. Replacing fixtures could represent a significant burden in these cases and thought there are many exceptions listed they likely represent a small percentage of overall usage.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago (9 children)

can we ban standard time and permanently switch to DST now too?

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I took a look at the article and I came out with two points:

  1. finally! Congratulations! Join the rest of the world where changing a freaking lightbulb costs you no mental pain.

  2. left handed light bulbs? Are these a thing? Are these purpose built for specific applications, like counter clock wise screws?

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (15 children)

Wrap it up boys, we've solved climate change.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Is your point we should not be taking steps to decrease electricity usage because this step by itself doesn't fix the entire problem?

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People will complain about climate change than complain about LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE ATTEMPT to improve it. Isnt this what people are always saying needs to happen?? That individual action isnt the way but we need legislature to fix everything? What did people think would happen if governments try to fight climate change? That our lives would in no way shape or form be affected?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (13 children)

The answer is everyone else has to fix climate change. Everyone but me

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The EU introduced a limitation to how much power electric devices can consume in off or standby mode.

0.5 watt normally, 1 watt if they have a status display and 2-8 watts if they're connected to a network.

On a yearly basis this saves as much electricity as one of the member states (Romania) used in a year.

My point is that small things add up to huge numbers.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

how long until there's a right wing black market for incandescent bulbs like gas stoves prob..

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cure rage in certain circles

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

Can’t wait for this to be the hot button issue in certain presidential campaigns this cycle.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (10 children)

There are other uses of incandescent bulb beyond lighting. We use them to heat small enclosures in the winter and we have light to work in the space if that needss to happen. To use heat tape or space heaters is far more likely to catch fire.

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