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[–] 93 points 2 years ago*

Nazis: Marxism is bad because it's jewish.

Liberals: Marxism is bad because it hates jews.

Marxists: Bruh.

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  • [–] 80 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Interesting to use Germany in first picture, place where over one third of people arrested for antisemitism since 7 october were Jews.

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  • [–] 68 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    ___ >Antisemitism tripled… if you consider anti-zionism to be antisemitism.

    He just told on himself, basically.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago

    And then he writes a whole long-ass argument based on this new definition of antisemitism. They even call it the “new” antisemitism.

    But for real, this is an establishment media blitz trying to officially define antisemitism as anti-zionism. It’s not meant to make sense in the previous definitional framework.

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  • [–] 66 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    This tool is a professor at Harvard, who get his essays published in Time, while you're out here acting like you're not good enough.

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  • [–] 47 points 2 years ago

    I don't know, sometimes I wish I could use my skills and powers for evil and live a cushy life funded by the infinite coffers of the US MIC and State Department.

    Then I remember I have a conscious and basic human morality.

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  • [–] 63 points 2 years ago*

    The ADL is useless. Always has been, always shall be.

    a proud citizen of the freest country in the world, in which Jews have been safer than in any other country in history

    I’d love to see what research the author conducted before arriving at these very bold conclusions. It must have been exhaustive indeed.

    the persistence of antisemitism stands as a stubborn counterargument to Martin Luther King Jr.’s hopeful faith that the arc of the moral universe bends toward justice.

    Aside from the referencing of Martin Luther King being so cliché at this point, above all it saddens me how so many people do it in ill faith.

    antisemitism among […] Hamas

    Roll. Eyes.

    If Hamas’s own words are meaningless to you, go look at how released Jewish hostages discussed their captivity and then compare it with the released Palestinian prisoners discussing theirs.

    The practice of projecting immediate social fears and hatreds onto Jews grew from the human need to treat some nearby group of people as the Other.

    This is just a rehashed argument from early Zionists claiming that antisemitism is natural, so Jews have to shove off to Palestine.

    the pseudoscience of race that flourished after Darwin

    This again?

    both Nazism and Marxism identified Jews as an enemy deserving liquidation.

    https://lemmygrad.ml/search?q=Soviet&type=Posts&listingType=All&communityId=47789&creatorId=403

    The core of this new antisemitism lies in the idea that Jews are not a historically oppressed people seeking self-preservation but instead oppressors: imperialists, colonialists, and even white supremacists.

    Strawman, have you tried exploring how Zionism harms Jews?

    It is not inherently antisemitic to criticize Israel.

    Usually when Zionists offer this trite reminder, they give no examples, maybe because ‘Israel isn’t doing enough to exterminate Arabs’ isn’t a criticism that they want to utter in public.

    The author’s history is loaded with classic Zionist untruths, like the U.N. creating the neocolony (not exactly), the neocolony being compensation for the Shoah (not really), the exodus of Palestinians being accidental (nope), then delves into this:

    the paradigm of white supremacy also does not correspond easily to the Jews. Around half of Israel’s Jewish citizens descend from European Jews, as do most American Jews. But those Jews were not considered racially white in Europe, which is one reason they had to emigrate or be killed. Roughly half of Israel’s Jews descend from Mizrahi, (literally, Eastern) origins. They are not ethnically European in any sense, much less racially “white.” A meaningful number of Israeli Jews are of Ethiopian origin, and the small community of Black Hebrew Israelites in Israel are ethnically African American.

    Mentioning Jews of colour only weakens the author’s point since they regularly face discrimination under Zionism. Also, the point that European Jews were not yet canonized as white is irrelevant since most of them are white enough for the neoliberal establishment.

    On the left, one line is that Jews are weaponizing the Holocaust to legitimize the oppression of Palestinians.

    ‘Jew’ isn’t a synonym for Zionist, dipshit. G‐ddamn, I’m tired of responding to this. I know that I only covered a fraction of it but I’m too annoyed to continue. Fuck this author.

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  • [–] 58 points 2 years ago

    "17 minute read"

    No thanks. I'd rather step on a Lego than read this horseshit in full.

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  • [–] 54 points 2 years ago

    Schrödinger antisemitism socialism, lmao. communism went from jew conspiracy to antisemitic lunatics.

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  • [–] 51 points 2 years ago*

    We are idealists that refuse to understand there is a difference between Jewish people as a whole and the modern state of Israel.

    These awful Marxists look at the material reality of the bombed hospitals and wonton destruction of civilian infrastructure, but they need to understand something more important than the real life destruction of human life.

    These truths are:

    Antisemitism = bad

    Jews = Israel

    Antisemitism = being against Jews

    therefore being against Israel = antisemitism

    Thus, when Marxists oppose Israel's bombings = antisemitism

    If you state the minor detail that not all Jewish people are not supportive of all of the actions of the state of Israel, we'll dismiss it as irrelevant. Because our idealized concepts are more important than the consequences of following through on those actions.

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  • [–] 39 points 2 years ago

    I'm not reading that bullshit

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  • [–] 37 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    Why do Marxists get blamed for things done by fascists?

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Something something National Socialism

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    The question is, did the Nazis know they would fail and pick that title just to troll us?

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    They wanted to trick the German people into thinking that they would help them. Since the socialists actually cared about the people.

    Excellent marketing and PR.

    Same reason why Pol Pot was a MLM. Excellent optics that buy you support to then accomplish your real goals.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    dont think I'd call Pol Pot an MLM

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    He was not. But he called himself one, that’s the point I was making.

    We all know his positions were different, but his optics were focused around using Maoism to his personal advantage.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    A Maoist, not a Marxist-Leninist-Maoist. No one really called themselves an MLM til the 80s, when the PCP/Shining Path officially "synthesized" it.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    True, but wouldn’t a Maoist by extension be a Marxist-Leninist? MLM certainly had its connotations because of groups like the shining path, but I meant that more in the way that he used legends from Marxist-Leninism, and Maoism to draw support.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago*

    I would say you are probably correct. A lot of it is semantics - I think prior to the eighties you're just more likely to run into phrases like "adherent to Mao Zedong Thought" rather than "Marxist-Leninist-Maoist".

    Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge's words on the matter


    “Our two Parties, two governments and two peoples have maintained a fundamentally identical, correct, Marxist-Leninist stand.”

    Speaking first, Hua Kuo-feng welcomed the Kampuchean comrades, calling their visit a “major event” in the relations between the two parties and countries. He said, “The Communist Party of Kampuchea, headed by comrade Pol Pot, is a staunch Marxist-Leninist Party.” He called the CPK “the force at the core leading the Kampuchean people in seizing victory in their revolution.”

    In warmly praising Mao Tsetung Thought, Pol Pot said, “Following Marx, Engels, Lenin and Stalin, Chairman Mao and his thought have triumphantly stood the test of successive revolutionary storms.” He said that Mao Tsetung Thought today illuminates the path of revolution for people all over the world.

    “More precisely,” Pol Pot said of Mao Tsetung Thought, “It is the most effective and sharp ideological and political weapon which infallibly guides our struggle to victory.”

    emphasis mine


    Undeniably, I would say, they were Maoist, but at the time 'Maoism' and 'Marxism-Leninism' were considered pretty much one and the same by "anti-revisionists" or those communists who split with the USSR after Khruschev's coup d'etat. I'd say calling Pol Pot a 'Maoist' is a fair enough examination, it's just that to him "Maoism" and "Marxism-Leninism" were synonymous. I'd maybe go so far as to call him a proto-MLM.

    source: https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/ncm-3/cpml-pol-pot.htm

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Because colonization would be more difficult if the colonizers felt guilty about their atrocities. Thus, they have to blame everybody but themselves (irrespective of how lazy that is), which they have always done:

    [W]e shall powerfully enter into your country, and shall make war against you in all ways and manners that we can, and shall subject you to the yoke and obedience of the Church and of their Highnesses; we shall take you and your wives and your children, and shall make slaves of them, and as such shall sell and dispose of them as their Highnesses may command; and we shall take away your goods, and shall do you all the mischief and damage that we can, as to vassals who do not obey, and refuse to receive their lord, and resist and contradict him; and we protest that the deaths and losses which shall accrue from this are your fault, and not that of their Highnesses, or ours, nor of these cavaliers who come with us.

    And that we have said this to you and made this Requisition, we request the notary here present to give us his testimony in writing, and we ask the rest who are present that they should be witnesses of this Requisition.

    — Requerimiento, 1510

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  • [–] 32 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    And they don't elaborate whatsoever. Goddamit.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago

    When you are given a place of authority with complete control over what is published and no real fourm for critique, you can say whatever you want and a majority will believe you .

    But.

    The more we understand bourgeois media and institutions the more we can use the tools as well. Unless you belong to some sect who believes in spontaneous communism. If you do then feel free to carry on as you were.

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    The interesting thing is that everyone has heard of Auschwitz and the west impliedly takes credit for it. And while it wasn't the only example, the reason we probably don't hear about some of the others is because the yanks don't want people learning what they did when they actually did the 'liberating'.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago

    damn, they did it. they destroyed marxism. nothing else worked but they got us here

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    [–] 22 points 2 years ago

    I can smell lib shit

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You know, the religion that reveres communes and social responsibilities. Communists must hate that.

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  • [+] 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
    [–] 17 points 2 years ago

    reminder:

    Anti-Semitism

    January 12, 1931

    Reply to an Inquiry of the Jewish News Agency in the United States

    In answer to your inquiry :

    National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of cannibalism.

    Anti-semitism is of advantage to the exploiters as a lightning conductor that deflects the blows aimed by the working people at capitalism. Anti-semitism is dangerous for the working people as being a false path that leads them off the right road and lands them in the jungle. Hence Communists, as consistent internationalists, cannot but be irreconcilable, sworn enemies of anti-semitism.

    In the U.S.S.R. anti-semitism is punishable with the utmost severity of the law as a phenomenon deeply hostile to the Soviet system. Under U.S.S.R. law active anti-semites are liable to the death penalty.

    J. Stalin January 12, 1931

    First published in the newspaper Pravda, No. 329, November 30, 1936

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