I think Kautsky was really the first and also a somewhat closer comparison other than that Kautsky once had value.

I did some browsing on there, and my god, these people are disgusting pro-Zionist genocide supporting clowns. The article about why you should vote for them, talks about "Hamas pogroms" against Jews, opposing a ceasefire, and acting like the Palestinians are the ones doing the oppressing. In the same article:

“The Socialist Workers candidates urge workers to organize and act to prevent the Democratic Party’s assault on freedoms protected by the U.S. Constitution,” Trowe said. “The Democrats’ witch hunt against Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump — the attempt to throw him off the ballot, ruin his family and send him to prison — is a blow to political rights workers sorely need. Whoever is targeted today, it is working people who will be targeted tomorrow.”

Who the fuck cares. None of that matters when it comes to workers rights. If the Democrats actually managed to do any of that, and "ruin his family", I'd be fucking laughing. But the Democrats have no true desire to do any of that, because it's all a circus. They're nowhere near as cool as that.

In the article on Navalny they also use the same talking points and framing as your average lib, just with some fancy socialist words thrown into the mix to fool you, while completely not mentioning Navalny's politics, but merely calling him Putin's "bourgeois opponent".

In another article they call DSA a "Stalinist current" , and talk about there being socialists and a socialist wing in the Democratic Party.

And of course they have a newspaper, because why wouldn't they. Really living up to that Trot stereotype.

Out of pure curiosity, I decided to use their search function to see if I could find any articles on trans rights, and see where they stand... Surprise surprise, I found articles in which they defend TERFs and attack "Antifa" and "trans activists" for silencing TERFs' , using the classic "attack on women's rights" and "biological facts" angle.

Who the fuck needs chuds with deranged Trots like these. I'd personally plant an ice pick in their skulls.

iirc i;ve seen someone i follow on fedi who lives in california complaining about her before, apparently she completely sucks so its not surprising to see shes a zionist too

So love me, love me, love me! I'm a liberal!

Kind of weird and 3edgy4me how that's not really related to my point but go-off I guess. Kind of weird and disturbing honestly to be wishing (it seems) for their collective demise.

I'm not a trot but as someone who has known alot of them, honestly in this day and age if you're really under the impression that most people who thinks of themselves as trots are going to become neoconservatives then honestly my suspicion is that you do not actually know many. It might be worth pointing out that while the most annoying and sectarian, indeedly dogmatically detached self-described communists I've met are Trotskyist, so are several of the more serious, capable, dedicated militants I've met.

If you really wanna spend your time swinging against them instead of considering forming solidarity over a common Marxist and Leninist tradition (you might not think that they are leninists, but they certainly think they are) and discussing non-sectarian methods of organizing, then with respect comrade I really feel your point of view is limited and needs to develop, though I don't know how much experience you actually have engaging with, or actually trying to organize with, trots.

Whether you agree with them or not, most actual militants who are Trotskyists have their ideals in the right place. On a moral or ethical level, most of them are motivated by the same disgust with capitalist society and same hopes for a communist society as other communists. On a political level they are normally also self-consciously Leninist. In fact the reason they have such a tendency to splits and factions is because there's an almost theological emphasis on the need to recreate continuously that genesis of the Bolshevik through splits with those they perceive (even if metaphorically) as Mensheviks and reformists, so that the part remains in a correct revolutionary position necessary at the revolutionary conjuncture. I'm in strong ideological disagreement on a bunch of points, and don't really like their culture, including that of their interpersonal relationships, but frankly that's not a problem unique to Trotskysists (Maoists, MLs and anarchists I'm looking at you).

Also, frankly, there's no surer way to alienate potential communists from what you're doing that to be beefing over the political conflicts in the Soviet Union of the 20s and 30s. I'm not really able to see it as anything other than self-indulgent, given that it seems obvious that a mature position would include very serious critiques of both Trotskyism and the USSR (for the record, if you talk to more intelligent Trots, they often have several quite scathing critiques of several of Trotsky's positions).

If you're talking about The Socialist (formerly Militant printed in big red letters), that was me and I was living with my in-laws. Also not a Trot, but all UK left media is Trot aligned.