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[–] 111 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (16 children)

Just wait until you look into French numbers.

How different languages say 97:

🇬🇧: 90+7 (ok, there is some jank in English numbers - 13-19 are in line with the Germanic pronunciation, i.e. pronounced "right to left", as a weird hold-over from the more Germanic Old English)

🇪🇸: 90+7

🇩🇪: 7+90

🇫🇷: 4x20+10+7

And if you think that's bad, the Danes actually make the French look sane...

🇩🇰: 7+(-½+5)x20

Even Danes generally don't really know why their numbers are like that, they just remember and go along with it.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    While learning Danish I figured out that's just the arcane incantation for the number. It's language juju, and you just have to know that it be like it do. Yes, it's syv og halvfems, but the reason behind it doesn't matter anymore. The rest of the double digit numbers are a mess as well; 30 is tredive (three tens in old norse) but starting with 50 it's this weird score (20) and half-to-score system.

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    [–] 97 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    "Je voudrais un baguette" I once asked in a parisian boulangerie. I don't think anyone has looked at me with the same level of disgust before as the older lady selling the breads.

    "Voilà, une baguette.", the "une" flying through me like an icicle.

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  • [–] 43 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    I remember standing in line for crepes in Le Havre, I just had my first year of French in school and I was practicing how to order in my head, nervously repeating "un crepe avec sucre", and killed myself over not remembering the gender of crepe. So it's finally my turn in line and I order nervously (I am 13 years old) and they reply with "pancake with sugar, no problem" and I'm just like 😭

    Somehow people not even giving you a chance to practice your language skills is awful

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    [–] 65 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Tfw the washing machine is gender fluid

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  • [–] 63 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    Me speaking to a French guy last week -

    "We've just been the the musée de l'automobile in Mulhouse"

    "Sorry, where?"

    "Mulhouse"

    "Where?"

    "Mulhouse"

    "Aaaaaah I see! It's pronounced [pronounces Mulhouse *exactly the same FUCKING way I just pronounced it]

    😂 Happens very regularly

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    [–] 52 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Female, and I am sure there hides a boomer joke here

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    [–] 45 points 2 years ago* (25 children)

    Enter German and Gendering: You can not say Programmer to address all Programmers in the room. You have to call them Programmerin und Programmer or Programmer:in or Programmende. And yes, most of these words aren't even German but if you don't use them you are a Grammar Nazi.

    And btw, the fact that we address females with "die" does not mean we want them dead, thank you and have a good day.

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    [–] 40 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Due to the increased acceptance of non-conforming identities, it's become more prevalent to either ask for pronouns, tell them to a person you meet, or have them somewhere visible in things like gameshows.

    That's quite as silly to me as this whole "what gender is this washing machine" nonsense is to English-speaking people.

    Here in Finland, we don't have gendered language. Even with third person pronouns, we usually default to "it" instead of "him/her/they". Except for pets. They always get the proper pronoun "hän". It's just respectful.

    So yeah, just like the English wonder why they have to learn different words for something needlessly gendered in France, I too, as a Finn, wonder why I have to learn different words for something needlessly gendered in English.

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    [–] 38 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Polish speaker here. We not only have gendered nouns but also verbs and adjectives.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    Spanish speaker here. For as chaotic and wild as English is, I've always appreciated that it has no gendered nouns. Why are chairs female? Makes no sense

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    [–] 34 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    While gendered nouns are stupid, I at least appreciate Italian because you can just learn the word and get its gender from the end part of the word. In German, however, it's completely random and you have to learn the gender with the word.

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    Disclaimer: this is terrible advice if you are trying to actually learn the proper grammar, don’t follow it.

    That being said, you can get by in everyday situations perfectly fine using "De" for anything, especially if you have a foreign accent people will forgive you.

    De junge, de Mädchen, de Baby, de Tisch, de Stuhl, de Feuerzeuggas-Nachfüllkartusche. People will understand.

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  • [–] 28 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    A washing machine is obviously female because doing laundry is a thing for women.

    And now I will sit back and watch how many people get mad at me because they don't understand sarcasm.

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    [–] 27 points 2 years ago

    intentionally misreading as wholesome - the idea is to subvert the concept of gender.

    "You'll never be a real woman!"

    "Neither will the chair I'm sitting in but you keep calling it 'her' so maybe stfu."

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago (2 children)
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    [–] 23 points 2 years ago* (13 children)

    What exactly does gender achieve in a language? Is English missing out on any nuance? Is it literally thinking about nouns as male or female, or is it just a weird name for the concept? Who decides gender when a new noun is made? What about borrowed words from other languages? Do you sound stupid if you speak French without using it, or are you just a language hipster?

    Language, dude...

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  • [–] 34 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    I'm not an expert. But I believe it is something to do with information redundancy.

    If you mishear a word but surrounding words must match gender and number, you may reconstruct the misheard word.

    As a native spanish speaker, I don't think of the actual sexuality of objects, it's just a characteristic of the word that should match other words in the sentence. For example the word screen (pantalla) is femenine, and the word monitor (monitor) is masculine. So when I see my monitor I don't think of an actual female or male object. But the nouns should match adjectives gender, so if someone says "broken monitor" (monitor roto) or "broken screen" (pantalla rota) I have this kind of redundancy if I misheard a word.

    But I'm not an expert of linguistics. Don't quote me.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Speaking as a gendered language user (Italian) it is sometimes weird.

    For example, car is feminine but our name for an off-road vehicle is masculine, as is the word for truck. Since you have to apply the gender of the noun to verbs, articles and adjectives, which one do you use when talking about your SUV? Feminine because it's a car or masculine because it's an offroader?

    For borrowed words there's usually a consensus on gender that forms over time. Sometimes a borrowed word inherits its gender from the translation of that word that fell out of use. One example of this could be the word computer. An equivalent term exists in Italian (calcolatore) which fell out of use but gave it a definite gender, masculine.

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    [–] 23 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    We also don't have 13 different words for I (glances at Japan)

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    [–] 22 points 2 years ago (13 children)

    Germany has three genders lmao

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    [–] 21 points 2 years ago* (8 children)

    Non-neutral nouns have always struck me as odd. They provide no info gain whatsoever outside of actually providing a gender if you're referring to a person or animal (for example, in Spanish, gato -> male cat, gata -> female cat). And in those situations, a short sentence can provide instant clarification if needed in a non-gendered language like English.

    It's a language feature built to be helpful in one use case, whilst simultaneously being worse in about a bazillion others. It's a very odd choice.

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    [–] 21 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Cough, Though, Through (+ Threw), Thorough, Rough, Thought, Ought, Tough.

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    [–] 21 points 2 years ago (4 children)
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    [–] 20 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    is that like how you have to memorize every single articels (der, die, das) for every word in german?

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    [–] 19 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    I don't know about French, but in Spanish is feminine.

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    [–] 18 points 2 years ago

    Uh? I'm Portuguese and it works in the same in my language. I don't know what the big deal is. You get the gender by the arti...

    Oh...

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Say what you will, exam nightmares are real

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