China is surely jealous of the high food prices we have here in the West...
communism no food. communism too much food
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In the United States, for over a hundred years, the ruling interests tirelessly propagated anticommunism among the populace, until it became more like a religious orthodoxy than a political analysis. During the Cold War, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime’s atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn’t go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them. If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum.
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not the food prices!!!! how will the economy possibly cope with more affordable food???
Why would I buy lunch today when I can just buy lunch tomorrow for a little cheaper.
Next western media headline: "China's nefarious plan to trick people into indefinitely postponing buying lunch until they starve to death."
I already do that under capitalism
When you starve do to the lack of money, that was justified bc you were not viable in the market, but when you starve bc your hopeful for a better deal tomorrow that's communism.
I pray everyday that Chinese people will one day know the true freedom of inflation and higher inflation.
What's next? Affordable housing?
Actually, yes, but before.
BBC: "China property: New home prices see biggest fall since 2015"
Darn it! I knew they were planning to kill me personally after giving the bare necessities for life to their citizens
most Chinese families invest everything plus everything they can borrow, into a home. if property values fall, that will be perceived as a giant loss and could be a widespread freakout. so they try to keep home values growing like forevers. a bubble that is kept growing forever?
Damn, I sure would hate it if the grocery prices in Canada were to plummet. Instead of going up 40% in the last ten years. I should be thankful though, at least it's not like the rent that went up 50% since covid. Boy, I sure love the stimulated economy.
, I would not mind food being cheap.
Yes but Mr Capitalist minds. He is trying to make profit line go up not down.
Too bad about the tendency of the rate of profit to fall though
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"In the United States, for over a hundred years, the ruling interests tirelessly propagated anticommunism among the populace, until it became more like a religious orthodoxy than a political analysis. During the cold war, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime’s atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn’t go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them.
“If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disenfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum.”
Capitalism is when no food
How can you profit off endless suffering and exploitation when the masses can afford food? Silly tankies it's like you don't even understand the point of an economy
This is just pathetic fearmongering, or whatever "the enemy is getting weaker" propaganda is called. Deflation, as liberals understand it, is literally a fake phenomenon. Even if PRC disn't have controlled markets, price reductions causing the collapse of entire businesses on a large scale is a fiction. It doesn't happen in free markets for obvious reasons, and it wouldn't happen in controlled markets for even more obvious reasons.
The truth is that deflation represents a redistribution of wealth towards working class people, because wages generally remain steady thus increasing everyone's relative purchasing power while harming investment portfolios. That's why they have to spread the fiction that deflation is a bad economic indicator meanwhile inflation is just business as usual.
It's very much ingrained to the "theory" as well. Any econ class will talk about deflation causing a cycle of doom and gloom, and any mention will be accompanied by something along the lines of "inflation maybe bad, deflation way worse"
Interesting, do you know any literature that talks more about this?
Isn't there a campaign against food waste going on in China right now 
reducing waste is great even when you have surplus
didn’t the guardian just co-opt that nazi propaganda for Iran the lther day too?
Given their population growth is de-accelerating, all this reporting from Western media feels like some sort of backhanded publicity campaign for attracting migrants. At some point even the cost of moving to China will be lower than the cost of living in Capitalist countries.
When? Please tell me it is within my "still you g enough" lifetime...
all this reporting from Western media feels like some sort of backhanded publicity campaign for attracting migrants
How is "food prices in China are super low while food prices in America are higher than ever" supposed to attract migrants to the west?
Are they gonna run a story on the rate of home ownership or commute times next?
The other way around. The reporting sounds like a backhanded migration advertisement for China, to westerners.
After seeing the average fast food order in the US be like $10 I’ve had enough. Like I might get fast food every 4 days or so bc I’m still broke af but damn I’m gonna have to buy deli meat for bullshit ass sandwiches smh. Joe Brandon economy🤦♂️
But can profit be taken from an orange?
only if it's in a non-aligned country
At what cost? Think of the children China!
Deflation bad
The average Chinese factory worker performing "unskilled" labour will have more purchasing power than western doctors, with much shorter work weeks and fantastic working conditions while the average westerner will be working 3 jobs to afford rent in their slumlord apartment and the economist will still be talking about how it is finally "over" for China because of how well they treat their workers.