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Legal experts skewered Alina Habba's "comedy of bumbling errors" in Trump defamation trial

Former President Donald Trump's appeal of the $83.3 million verdict in the defamation case brought by E. Jean Carroll is unlikely to succeed, legal experts say.

"Let me ruin the suspense for everyone. Trump doesn't have an appeal," Nashville lawyer Brian Manookian argued Friday. "I know the talking heads on TV who have never tried a case or appealed a jury verdict have to mention it. Here's why it isn't going to fly."

A person must "preserve a reversible error at the trial level" in order to have a case with merit on appeal, Manookian explained, ultimately blaming Trump's lack thereof on his legal team in the case.

"This is why you hire competent counsel. You need someone who actually knows the rules of evidence and procedure," he said. "Alina Habba had no clue what was occurring throughout the trial. She not only failed to preserve any remote grounds for appeal, like a moron, she repeatedly and unintentionally waived them over and over."

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[–] [email protected] 98 points 9 months ago (7 children)

trump thinks only in terms of television. he picked the pretty lawyer because, in his mind, everyone that looks good is better than other people. his narcissism is chronic.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 9 months ago

He picked the pretty lawyer from the increasingly tiny pool of incompetent lawyers who are still willing to risk whatever career they ever hoped to have in exchange for being hung out to dry and screwed out of any money they expected to receive.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Trump truly believes that he's going to be President again, none way or another. If he doesn't win the actual vote he thinks that millions of his supporters will flood the streets and enthrone him. All the trials are merely a sideshow to him.

Reminds me of an old story. Son is condemned to be shot for cowardice. His father, the general, sends him a message to act bravely, because he will be pardoned at the last minute. The son faces his last hours coolly, because he has nothing to fear. When they finally slip the blindfold on he realizes that Daddy couldn't save him, but Daddy wanted him to die bravely. The only difference is Trump is the 'victim' who lies to himself.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 9 months ago

Also his dementia.

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[–] [email protected] 92 points 9 months ago (1 children)

"I do think part of the rough week he had was having chosen a counsel who doesn't seem to have any, not just chops, but judgment about how you try a case like this when it's already been established[,]and you may not quibble that your client has sexually assaulted the plaintiff and then lied about it."

Shitheads in Ohio be like, “Imma vote for him!” Because corporate journalism has failed catastrophically.

[–] [email protected] 109 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

Stop blaming the media.

When he said he liked soldiers who didn't get captured, the main stream media reported it. When the pussy grabber tape came out the media was all over it. They played the tapes of him talking about perving on the Miss Teen USA contestants.

I saw one of his defenders on The View. One of the panelists kept repeating 'grab the pussy' over and over. The woman who was supporting Trump asked her not to use that offensive language.

The media reported and the MAGoos decided it didn't matter.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

Stop absolving the media. They absolutely have some culpability here for treating whackjobs with the same credulity they treat scientists, treating existential threats against democracy as if they're a normal part of the political horse race, and otherwise perpetuating habitual and systemic balance fallacies on a massive scale. The "MAGoos" didn't just go off the deep end on their own; the media helped mislead them straight off it.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The other poster actually gave examples. You posted something but vague references to a "balance fallacy" (I love how you cited that, but not any examples. lol) . .and have a way better upvote to downvote ration than the other poster.

This is the perfect example of this place using the upvote as the "I agree" button rather than actual, good arguments that add to the discussion. People want to shit on the media, and you gave them an a vague, effectively unchallengeable post to do so. Congrats.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Exactly, we all know what terrible person he is because of this.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Trump and his people treat the media the same way surly tweens treat their parents. If the NY Times says that Trump is one of the richest people in the world his people will repeat that claim over and over. If the Times says that Donnie took money from Putin it's FAKE NEWS!

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[–] [email protected] 86 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Looks like typical DJT operating procedures. Hire incompetence and then blame the system for their incompetence. I used to do high stakes litigation. We would have an attorney on our trial team whose only responsibility was preserving error. I wonder if DJT will sue her for malpractice. That would probably make her extra sad for servicing his tiny mushroom.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 9 months ago (2 children)

We gotta end small-dick hate, homedog.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago (4 children)

It's not small dick hate. It's calling out the shallowest thing that would piss trump off. It's especially poetic as he makes exaggerated claims about his persons all the time, including what we know is a complete exaggeration on the size of his dick (thanks Stormy).

Any other person I'm in total agreement with you.

Just not this one. Not after he fucking mocked a disabled person on live TV and suffered zero consequences.

This is all we've got right now.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago

Being one of the lesser-endowed, I'll allow it.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

I don't hate small dicks. I hate people who act like massive assholes because they have small dicks.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Didn’t she have a gaming laptop computer at the beginning of the trial in court? Game on!

[–] [email protected] 26 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago (5 children)

And it wasn’t even hers. The gaming laptop belonged to the court and was used for the live transcript feed.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago (9 children)

I'm surprised how noteworthy people find this

[–] [email protected] 31 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Because it's funny either way.

Is she a legitimate attorney who is also a gamer and uses the same laptop for work so she can squeeze in some Rocket League during court recesses?

Or is she technologically incompetent, and bought an expensive laptop she didn't realize was the wrong tool for the job? She's proven she's incompetent as a lawyer, being unsavvy with tech is just icing on that cake.

Or maybe it's her nephew's gaming rig, and she's borrowing it for her big court case.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

A gaming laptop is very capable for her work. It just doesn’t look professional for said work.

“360-noscopes” trough the courtroom.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

I truly hope the announcer for Unreal Tournament would narrate that.

"POOR LEGAL ARGUMENT", "DENIED", "CONTEMPT OF COURT". I get shivers thinking of that.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

its like Joe Pesci's suit in my cousin vinny. like she had some misadventures in a net cafe.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago

I'm sure she just asked IT for the most powerful laptop she could get, and IT just shrugged and got out the corporate card. Or she games in her time off. Who knows, who cares.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You get what you pay for 🤫

[–] [email protected] 49 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The funny part is, he lost the case so he is famous for stiffing the lawyers.
She is going to have to sue him for the payment. That's gonna be very funny to see.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I hope she hires a decent lawyer

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's crappy lawyers all the way down.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Can he call for an appeal or mistrial based on inadequate legal protection or ineffective assistance of council?

Is that a thing?

[–] [email protected] 59 points 9 months ago (7 children)

Not in a civil trial. That's only for criminal trials.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

Cool, thanks

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Then I want to thank Alina Habba for helping to preserve a chance for democracy in the US.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

she was pretending to be smart.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Would I be a bigot if I were to observe that she probably wouldn't be trumps lawyer if she were an overweight balding middle aged male?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago

No because you're not judging anyone but trump

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Are you referring to Rudy Giuliani? Because he was also incompetent.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Lol. Let's see if she gets paid.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

I'd say what kind of professional wouldn't get payment upfront from Trump these days, but

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (12 children)

But people here on Lemmy have told me repeatedly that she isn't stupid and that she was creatively doing Trump's bidding! As recently as yesterday!

Do you mean to tell me she is stupid?!

[–] [email protected] 24 points 9 months ago

Well, to be fair, it’s quite possible for her to be both stupid AND doing Trump’s bidding. It’s not like he is firing on all cylinders, the guy brags about being able to pick out a whale from a from a lineup of fruits and vegetables.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Reminder that Trump could have used the more competent Christopher Kise for this.

I guess pretending to be smart didn't work out so well for Habba this time.

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