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[–] 43 points 3 years ago (1 child)

Can't you guys tell your MPs to get that shit out of here?

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  • [–] 13 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Oh believe me we will, but we have to wait for them to call an election (likely autumn 2024). They're roundly despised and they know it. They're just milking as much as they can before they're flung out of Parliament.

    They're a disgrace.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Is there any indication that Labour would be any better on this particular issue?

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago

    Very very very little indication they would be better, and I'm very left of center in politics.

    Starmer is very suss as far as I'm concerned, I'm not at all comfortable with his purges...if he gets in, we'll see.

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  • [–] 30 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    Tell me that pushing this sort of 1984 inspired stuff wasn't one of the reasons for Brexit.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 years ago (2 children)
  • [–] 28 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Apple has said they’ll pull out of UK if required. I won’t use any software that abides.

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  • [–] 26 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    This is why I'm worried about Signal. Signal is designed as a central service, which means its easy to block/kill. If similar laws are brought to the country Signal operates from then it could be shutdown. Centralized applications are easy to monetize and easy to kill.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    Alternatives that aren’t so obscure you can’t get your family/friends to switch?

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  • [–] 16 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Perfect doesn't have to be the enemy of good. Signal is Good, it could be better. There is a architectural weakness. There will be some other messenger that ticks all the boxes in the future, hopefully they will take what signal has done and continue to improve it.

    Signal is the easy for adoption because of the phone number as identity, but its weak because of the centralization. Its currently the best option. I don't want to spend effort moving normal people to Briar or Session until its absolutely necessary, or those applications improve the onboarding experience.

    https://www.securemessagingapps.com/

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  • [–] 25 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Is there anything we can do about it?

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  • [–] 39 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    Refuse to use any software that bows to this bullshit.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    Keep using software that doesn't bow. Let them struggle to enforce any encryption ban. Safety in numbers.

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    [–] 24 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Oh wow, the great UK really seems to love to show the world how advanced they are. Decrypt this then 🙄

    Password is only 8 characters.

    -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----

    jA0ECQMIg4RgH82c4/j+0sC6ASlYlE5UsjX2pJ7EL+c/XvjBdn2sfeaWyVZQenMW h+eMDp4vCSbhvVHpzVjwo0mJVKyLnINzjelRVQH0mPBuvs8wsGPitJ04xkixBrEI j/BDvunCqQHKh2rDSbqubuA64+74Zg2FqGsAgnTrxfK/78AFPfL1jM4GODxLt5IT duxVd06lE/zqJmhBL0uInovdKRsOjDoueHJBeXOSFpfYCoUcQsNkcOCZ7XiaaQus CUKVs1nCHWQZtjlRTxUzBRjkNFFVumXY+XI2S35ER8FveB6LdL0bqWCsJxSVUCMb +G3v5ckD/dvxVCrjxfeA4Xlvvk5ivZwsmkaWLz0KUl8tooxD3LBmbU3OTZ27sRxW SgTwGewFgxDTAlcbKaW46WI/Stbs3knYc2rQbMpu/DHqjz2GsYBENXOZEMYCnNtB tgRj6I5IqPieP2ZHUBXu8/ijL6Kl6UxKRtit7m0kttCfFWY8a1yhRfXGn57ZByxi Tj8jFHypznwgpSTE =cl6h -----END PGP MESSAGE-----

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  • [–] 28 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Oi M8 do you have a loicense for that Encryption? No? Well then, pay the foine or be branded a terrurist within the Five Eyes. /s

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  • [–] 9 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    how can you even prove that it’s something encrypted and not random text?

    I’m not sure how you can “ban encryption” lol

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  • [–] 13 points 3 years ago

    The law laws will be written so that they don't need to prove it. The suspicion will be enough, and innocent people will be punished for transmitting or storing unintelligible data.

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  • [–] 21 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    When it isn't the USA it's their daddy Britain, ffs.

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    [–] 20 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    @igalmarino @privacy it won't erode encryption worldwide - any more than China did. They'll just pull out of the UK

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  • [–] 13 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    In a selfish way... I'd like for the UK to do this and for it to go horribly horribly wrong for them. Maybe that would finally get the US reps to get their heads out of their butts so l don't have to keep signing petitions and writing essays about why weakening encryption is a horrible idea.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    UK hermit kingdom speedrun, especially with the rumors of Scotland getting independence.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago

    Scottish Indy movement has been put back by 10+ years after the political and possibly illegal financial fuckups of the main indy party SNP.

    They still have control over most of Scotland, but their political power in Westminster is still fairly small, this might change next election though

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  • [–] 13 points 3 years ago* (2 children)

    Worldwide? No they aren't. This is clickbait.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    If they force messengers to implement backdoors into the protocol, I doubt they will limit it to UK users. Also, conversations with UK users won't be private anymore even if the other party is from another country.

    Client-side scanning might not be enforced for other accounts but when the infrastructure is there other governments will want to use it, too.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago

    I wonder if it will be analogous to the situation in China. Is an iMessage conversation safe if one party is based in China and their data is stored in data centers there?

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  • [–] 13 points 3 years ago

    There are so many trends with technology that seem to favor another 1930's Europe situation. The 1940 film "The Great Dictator" describes it pretty well, and it is sad how much love and compassion seem to be out of favor as people march more and more towards mechanized hate-driven systems of society. I really hope a pro-humanism civil rights movement takes hold, like Martin Luther King Jr's kind of teaching, but it seems to not happen that a popular person like that comes to the top. Even a Carl Sagan type person with mass popularity to much of what Sagan shared in his books and speeches would be a good direction.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)

    Just two years ago the politicians fearmongered that quantum computers will break every encryption without delay. This bill speaks quite different story.

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    [–] 7 points 3 years ago

    Welp I don't live in the UK so there is not much I can do. I would encourage any UK citizen to protest this immediately. If it still passes openly break the law to make the UK government into a laughing stock

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Or we could all just vote for people that aren’t corrupt… or at least, yet!

    If you don’t know who isn’t corrupt, vote for independents that understand technology. I know it’ll never happen so things will continue to go downhill but gees, what do governments have to do to get people to wake up? 🤬

    Hell, i’ll be happy if people just stopped believing ‘for the sack of the children’ crap and realise its all about controlling the population! 🙄🤦‍♂️

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago

    we could all just vote for people that aren’t corrupt

    Audiences who flock to liars and deceivers seems to be trending in bad direction. Business leaders, politicians. What Cambridge Analytica unleashed as mass psychology tactics in 2014 may be very difficult to undo.

    corrupt… or at least, yet!

    Things like term limits seemed to help stop some of the problems of people corrupting once they got into positions of power. But now it seems crowds of more and more people are choosing pre-corrupted, cheering on corruption.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago

    I get the importance, but the global implications are being slightly overstated. It may be the thin end of the wedge in terms that it may lead other governments to follow suit. But all that will happen in the short term is that many IM clients will withdraw from the UK. Apple will probably just disable iMessage in the UK.

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