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Annoyed by the critics that suddenly feel betrayed by the series because they had convinced themselves the games weren't sexist even when it couldn't have been more obvious. People tried to tell them Bayonetta was misogynist as fuck but they were dismissed as "sex-negative" or whatever.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

It's...very weird looking at a thread that, from what I can tell, does not have any openly fem voices calling this character too sexualized and that it's bad for women without really ever having asked a woman, and in the process very steadily erasing our thoughts.

I don't know what to think when I hear 'she's too sexualized'. Are her breasts too big? Mine are bigger. They're not unrealistic, I assure you. She looks very nice, and I enjoyed playing as her.

It feels like indirect body shaming and it's telling that it always seems to be cis dudes demanding women cover up and getting angry when women are presented as attractive. There's a difference between overly sexual hentai shit and 'sexy and attractive'. Risque shit is fine and I don't know why prudism is forced onto women.

It also feels like america's sex negativity being laundered into leftism.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Women that criticized Bayonetta were harassed for not towing the line on misogynist nerd shit so they don't talk about the character or the series as much anymore.

Examples are out there if you look.

https://gomakemeasandwich.wordpress.com/2011/06/03/bayonetta-and-the-male-gaze/

https://gomakemeasandwich.wordpress.com/2014/11/13/on-bayonetta-2-and-female-sexuality-in-video-games-tw/

https://feministfrequency.com/video/bayonetta-innovative-advertising-or-sexual-harassment-training/

https://twitter.com/femfreq/status/521778746655649792?lang=en

https://agameofme.tumblr.com/post/102909075862/bayonetta-2s-sexless-sexiness-and-the

Those that come to the defense of the character and series also ignore the obvious misogyny demonstrated by the creators. Bayonetta's only feminist or unproblematic if you buy into Naomi Wolfe's bullshit Fire with Fire feminism.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Thank you for telling a woman what to think choomfie I really appreciate it, I must have harassed all my woman friends into not disliking Bayonetta too

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I'm not telling you what to think. There's no evidence that points to Bayonetta being anything but some guy's horny fantasy of what women should be but people can think what they want.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Uh, hey, I'm also a woman and always found Bayonetta sexiest and objectifying. Just like I don't speak for the women who find her empowering, you don't speak for all the women who find her disempowering. Please don't give people the false idea that it's only cis dudes that have a problem with objectified characters.

As enby woman I have always been pressured into being "sexier" and "more feminine" for men. It's given me bad dysphoria all my life. Shit sucks.