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[–] 179 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

Being a shill for the Israeli apartheid regime is the LEAST "maverick" thing you can possibly do in American politics.

To break with the left to join everyone else in enabling genocide isn't a brave and principled stand. It's ignorance at best, but more likely morally bankrupt cowardice.

Go home NBC, you're drunk on neoliberal gaslighting. Again.

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  • [–] 143 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Having a conversation about immigration isn’t a bad thing. Going in to that conversation looking to shove your view points down the others side throat IS a bad thing.

    The reality is that we need immigrants to fill a ton of holes in our workforce but we also need to fix the system to allow legal immigration to be an easier process and to try to stem the tide of illegal immigration.

    I don’t have the answers, but I know the problems exist and there are much smarter people who could help get ideas moving if the ideologues would get out of the way.

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  • [–] 72 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Yeah, most people against illegal immigration have no idea how arduous and expensive the process actually is. It's not as simple as going to the border and saying, "One greencard please."

    I'm against illegal immigration, but the solution I'd like to see is a more streamlined process so people wouldn't need to pay coyotes to smuggle them across with no guarantee they'd even survive the trip.

    If they want to come be productive members of society, why stop them?

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  • [–] 38 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Because America, by large, has been built upon immigrants coming over and shutting the door behind them so others can’t get their success.

    We’ve done it as English colonists, we’ve done it during the Industrial Revolution, we’ve done it in the early 1900s, and we’re doing it now. It’s sadly a trend that we, as a country, never grew out of.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago

    It's a ridiculous process to get a work visa even for skilled and educated people with money. I had a gf who had a PhD in material science with a wealthy family. She was working at a National Lab and was worried if she didn't get a permanent position there, she'd be scrambling to find a job that would give her an extension or she'd have to move back to Europe.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

    Apparently it used to be easier to get seasonal work permits for Mexicans wishing to work in the US, and it was common for workers to go back to Mexico after the work season. Most did not want to permanently move to the US, but preferred to return to stay with their families. Those visas were curtailed under Reagan, so they became much harder to obtain. Crossing back to Mexico became harder, so now more just cross the border and then never return. If we still had a reasonable system in place to allow temporary workers in, I’m sure we’d see less illegal crossings.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    We need immigrants because they make the nation better, not to "fix holes" in the workforce. They're people. Let's talk about them like they deserve humanity.

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    [–] 60 points 2 years ago

    Politician uses leftists to get elected, immediately backs off leftism once in office.

    "Maverick" my ass. This isn't a break from the left, it is a stomping down of the coalition that already had to fight tooth and nail against the Democratic Party pushing Conor Lamb.

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  • [–] 53 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    A mAvEriCk SiDe

    he's not some sort of independent thinker charting his own way through the murky waters of american politics, he's bought and paid for with a quarter million dollars of Israeli lobbyist money. I used to believe in Fetterman. I walked picket lines with him in Pittsburgh. I campaigned to help him and Tom Wolf into the governor's mansion in PA. I see this as a betrayal and he'll get neither a vote nor a kind word from me for the rest of his career.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Wait, so you agree with him so much on most issues that you campaigned for him, but disagree with him on a couple of difficult hot-button issues, and so you will never have another kind word for him? This kind of hyper-polarization from one extreme of support to complete vilification is what is wrong with American politics. Politics equals compromise, not going balls-out to completely crush anyone who is slightly further left or right of your position.

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  • [–] 53 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    It's unsurprising, especially since even legitimate leftists often balk at immigration due to the rampant myths around it. Still an obvious and better choice than Oz, or any Republican, and important blueprint for outreach to actual moderates.

    God only knows how he can support Israel on moral grounds while being in a position where he has access and time to study the issue, though. Pre-existing biases, one supposes.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (8 children)

    The Philly suburbs have a pretty influential Jewish population. Nothing like NYC, of course, but they're politically active and probably donate a lot of money.

    But Fetterman has also tried very hard to listen to everyone in the state. He did a tour of all of the counties - even blood red places like Clearfield and Perry - to get people's impressions on marijuana legalization. It's one thing I respect him for.

    Sadly, I disagree with most of my fellow state citizens on this issue so I have to go along with the majority and watch children die.

    Yay democracy.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    The Philly suburbs have a pretty influential Jewish population. Nothing like NYC, of course, but they’re politically active and probably donate a lot of money.

    I would very much like to think that "Jewish" and "supportive of Israel's genocidal tactics" are much less synonymous than this comment assumes.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    American Jews, in fact, are more likely to be friendly to the cause of Palestinian independence and dignity than the general American population.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago*

    Yes, and thank you for mentioning that. A lot of my friends from high school are Jewish and they taught me that it was possible to be anti-Zionist and not antisemitic. They would hate being lumped in with those who support these actions, at least a few of them.

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  • [–] 30 points 2 years ago

    What happened to you, Fetterman. You used to be cool.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    ugh... and he was doing so well...

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  • [–] 35 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    I'm not american, but isn't calling yourself not progressive kinda... Shit? Why would you ever say that you don't like progress?

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  • [–] 29 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    He didn’t say that. He said he is willing to have a discussion about immigration policy with republicans.

    Whoever wrote the article is trying to speak on behalf of an entire political group called “Progressives” by claiming everyone in the group came to a unanimous decision to not discuss immigration (this isn’t true).

    So the writer of the article is claiming Fetterman isn’t a part of the group of Progressives because Fetterman is willing to do his job by being diplomatic.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Progressive is often used as a blanket term that basically means that you are farther left than the Democratic party. Not that he doesn't like progress, just that he is not pursuing the end of capitalism or something in that direction if even slightly.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    "Progressive" is a faction of Democrats. They aren't the only people that support progress.

    I don't consider myself a progressive, because I disagree with about 30% (in very ballpark terms) of current progressive policy choices. It's not hard to imagine Fetterman feels similarly.

    I absolutely disagree with Fetterman that immigration should be curtailed at all - Democrats are not a monolith. Most Democrat representatives disagree with some policy or other.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago*

    And I was beginning to wonder how dense the one who stated the following about Fetterman

    When he said he was 100% for Israel and I saw he took AIPAC and other money from Israeli lobbies and said he was not a progressive my support ended. He lied to us. I hope to vote for a progressive opponent in his next primary.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    To be fair, even the blue states are feeling the resource and budget pinch with immigration and are aggressively calling for federal assistance. His views aren’t exactly out of line with his constituents on that issue.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Who are you referencing here? Illinois is the only one I remember, and their solution isn't to close the border, it's to speed up processing and stop a giant state from intentionally overstressing a smaller state. California is on the border and handling things just fine, but when suddenly all of Texas's immigrants get redirected to a state that doesn't have the infrastructure in place to handle them, it's a problem.

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    [–] 10 points 2 years ago

    Typical neoliberal scumbag. Buddy up to the left to get elected then as soon as you're on the inside and have the power to actually chnge something, unleash your inner cliche villain and start loudly supporting the worst things you possibly can.

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