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[–] [M] 84 points 20 hours ago (1 child)

Pre-empting this to ask everyone to please remain civil.

We know that caffeine is poisonous to deer and that this is a sensitive topic. The Onion has great tips and tricks to help you remain calm in the moment.

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    [–] 8 points 3 hours ago* (21 children)

    Which of the two major parties stands against capitalism against?

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  • [–] 4 points 3 hours ago (10 children)

    Which third party has a chance to actually win or do something and isn't just throwing your vote out?

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  • [–] 4 points 28 minutes ago (2 children)

    Part of building a viable alternative is getting enough votes for consistant ballot access and other resources that are afforded by default to the two primary parties. Winning comes in degrees.

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  • [–] 1 point 24 minutes ago (1 child)

    If that was really the strategy they would start with local elections.

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  • [–] 2 points 21 minutes ago

    Idk about your state, but that is the case here in MD with Greens and the Working Class Party. Also true for the Working Families Party in other states. Presidential elections have a purpose in generating attention, though.

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  • [–] 3 points 59 minutes ago (2 children)

    "They won't actually fix anything but they might win" is an unbelievably terrible argument

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  • [–] 2 points 23 minutes ago (1 child)

    No. It's "which of these two horrible choices might we influence to make some progress"

    You don't get a third choice for the big things. It's mathematically and literally impossible.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 hours ago (1 child)
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    I'm not sure I fully understood that . But the first step in any change is ranked choice voting. If we had that then we could do three parties or more.

    As it stands, we've devolved into a two-party system and neither party will give up control.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 hours ago (1 child)

    All of them, complain about non-voters not voters.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 hours ago

    Okay let's see. We have a large part of the population who just won't vote. Voter apathy is real.

    Of the Democrats and Republicans, you have about 2/3 of each party that are voting like it's a sports team. They'll never change and they'll never think.

    The thinking people who vote for each party understand that the third party has no chance and they're trying to sway things generally in their direction.

    So the third party victory plan, if I have it correct, is to overcome voter apathy, and also to sway some people who are voting like a sports team from both parties.

    If that's your plan for victory, then you don't have a plan for victory. And you're just wasting your vote.

    Call me cynical, but I think third parties are funded by people outside the country to sway the election. Just like they only thaw out Jill Stein every 4 years to steal votes from the Democrats, and then they park her in a Russian freezer somewhere for the rest of the time.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 hours ago (4 children)

    Neither, unfortunately, but we have a two-party system, and one side is openly fascist, so I would advise that anyone who doesn't like fascism vote for the other non-fascist (arguably less-fascist) party.

    I don't like voting for the "lesser evil" and wish things were better, but voting for unviable candidates out of a sense of blind idealism is worse, because it empowers the most regressive movements to succeed.

    We don't currently live in a real democracy, but we have a chance to turn things around. If you decide to give up and let the fascists win, you're one of the bad guys.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

    We need Ranked Choice Voting and Mixed Member Proportional districting to reduce the need for strategic voting.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 hours ago (1 child)

    If you have a path to change the system of governance, that could be worth pursuing. But voting isn’t a path to that - just a form of harm reduction within the system.

    You still buy groceries - even though you may hate the process of handing over your net worth for something that helps sustain your life and want to change that.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

    Oh is it time for "Both Sides" already? Forgot to mark my calendar

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  • [–] -2 points 2 hours ago (1 child)

    Yep, voting is as meaningless as blowing on your coffee.

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  • [–] 18 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

    Man that pissed me off. He said it right as early voting started. Choose third party because every side's bad. How would you fucking know Matthew? This is Texas. There's only been one side for 35 years. How the fuck would you know both sides are bad? Like I'm not saying he's wrong necessarily I just don't think he has that information.

    And if you're going to sit there and blather about voting third party pick a fucking third party. Which third party Matthew McConaughey? Who you backing? Are you saying vote libertarian? You picking up the green party? I don't even remember seeing them on the ballot. Pick a candidate you bongo playing lunatic. Fucking coward.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 hours ago* (1 child)

    It's not about "which third party", that doesn't matter. You can change that per issue (I do).

    You don't vote third party to win, that would be stupid. You won't win.

    You vote third party to put pressure on the major parties to change their platform, you're working from within the system to change the system. It's a "protest vote"... and major parties want those votes.

    Third party issues become major party issues with enough voter support.

    For example, weed legalization was Libertarian, Green, and Socialist party cause since the 1970s, working with NORMAL (National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws). Over the years, the grass roots (get it?) support grew and grew, even though the major parties were dead set against it.

    Those third parties affected change on that issue in many states, and it continues. All thanks to third parties.

    Most of their success is locally, not federally, which is in my opinion a lost cause, but again it's not about the party, it's about the issues.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 hour ago

    Then why doesn't he do that? What's his issue? Which party this time? You see my point? He's not picking a third party. Because frankly there's not one. Not in Texas. Not this year.

    There's not an issue he's backing. There's not a candidate he's backing. There's not a change he's trying to force. After all it's Texas the change would be not Republican. 35 years of the same party controlling the state top to bottom if you want change you'd want that to change. But that's not what he wants. He's not trying to get you to vote for third party. He's trying to get you to not vote Democrat. Him and his friend Greg Abbott don't want that.

    By the way just as an aside, the Texas green party is a fucking travesty. They are simply the worst. They don't stand for anything anymore. In my local elections the best environmentally conscious candidate by a mile wouldn't even run under their ticket because was so disgusted with them.

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  • [–] 9 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

    Perhaps the deer introduced (bi)proportional representation and are living the good life now?

    That's what allows me to vote 6th party without making my vote useless.

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  • [–] 20 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

    As a trans person, please dont let the face eating leopards burn our democracy down. I know the rabid horses aren't much better, but they at least dont explicitly promise to eat our faces.

    I do mean that, btw

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  • [–] 13 points 16 hours ago

    I'd love it if people just voted, period.

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  • [–] 24 points 18 hours ago (1 child)

    Sigh... I was that guy in my 20s, voted for Ross Perot twice. Didn't expect him to win but I wanted to send a message to Washington that I wasn't happy with either party. He got 20% in '92 and 8% in 96.

    THIS IS NOT THE TIME FOR SUCH SHENANIGANS.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 hours ago*

    Except if one would've voted GOP. Then a third party is an amazing choice.

    Dunno if that tracks in the current climate. Even Libertarians seem to be a bit pissed off at Trump.

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  • [–] 11 points 17 hours ago*

    Republicans can vote third party all day long. You will hear no complaints from me. If you are a Republican, please vote third party if you can't vote for anyone else.

    Or just stay home. Consider not voting if you are a republican.

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  • [–] 8 points 16 hours ago*

    I just want to highlight, despite the guffaw this post gave me...

    The account is 6 days old. 1 comment and 33 posts.

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  • [–] 17 points 20 hours ago* (12 children)

    *nervously looks around for people who would shoot me for having magnificent horns or voting ninth party*

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