McConaughey (thelemmy.club)
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[–] 11 points 6 hours ago* (26 children)

Which of the two major parties stands against capitalism against?

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  • [–] 7 points 6 hours ago (6 children)

    Neither, unfortunately, but we have a two-party system, and one side is openly fascist, so I would advise that anyone who doesn't like fascism vote for the other non-fascist (arguably less-fascist) party.

    I don't like voting for the "lesser evil" and wish things were better, but voting for unviable candidates out of a sense of blind idealism is worse, because it empowers the most regressive movements to succeed.

    We don't currently live in a real democracy, but we have a chance to turn things around. If you decide to give up and let the fascists win, you're one of the bad guys.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

    We need Ranked Choice Voting and Mixed Member Proportional districting to reduce the need for strategic voting.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

    If the choice is fascist or less fascist then neither is worth voting for.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 hours ago (1 child)

    Your outcomes are between the candidate who will hurt you and yours less vs the candidate who will hurt you and yours most.

    If you're lucky, choosing to not vote will still lead to the candidate that will hurt you and yours less.

    Be as pedantic as you want: this is the reality of it.

    Do whatever outside of the election season to change that but once the final polls happen, those are the only choices you have.

    It's like when you get beat up and you're on the ground. You try to protect your vitals and hope you'll survive to fight another day.

    Not voting is idiotic and lazy.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 hour ago

    I never said anything about not voting.

    The reality is choosing between the two major parties is choosing hurting now or hurting later. Neither will actually do any good. It's pointless to vote for anyone other than a 3rd party, at least then you're not voting for evil.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 hours ago (13 children)

    Which third party has a chance to actually win or do something and isn't just throwing your vote out?

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  • [–] 4 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

    Part of building a viable alternative is getting enough votes for consistant ballot access and other resources that are afforded by default to the two primary parties. Winning comes in degrees.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 hours ago (1 child)

    If that was really the strategy they would start with local elections.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 hours ago

    Idk about your state, but that is the case here in MD with Greens and the Working Class Party. Also true for the Working Families Party in other states. Presidential elections have a purpose in generating attention, though.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 hours ago (5 children)

    "They won't actually fix anything but they might win" is an unbelievably terrible argument

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  • [–] 2 points 3 hours ago (4 children)

    No. It's "which of these two horrible choices might we influence to make some progress"

    You don't get a third choice for the big things. It's mathematically and literally impossible.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 hours ago (1 child)

    Social reality isn't tethered to logic. A mind virus can open the possibility for a third party victory, math be damned.

    We're already past the first step where the general population is tired of the two current options.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 hours ago (1 child)

    All of them, complain about non-voters not voters.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 hours ago

    Okay let's see. We have a large part of the population who just won't vote. Voter apathy is real.

    Of the Democrats and Republicans, you have about 2/3 of each party that are voting like it's a sports team. They'll never change and they'll never think.

    The thinking people who vote for each party understand that the third party has no chance and they're trying to sway things generally in their direction.

    So the third party victory plan, if I have it correct, is to overcome voter apathy, and also to sway some people who are voting like a sports team from both parties.

    If that's your plan for victory, then you don't have a plan for victory. And you're just wasting your vote.

    Call me cynical, but I think third parties are funded by people outside the country to sway the election. Just like they only thaw out Jill Stein every 4 years to steal votes from the Democrats, and then they park her in a Russian freezer somewhere for the rest of the time.

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    I'm not sure I fully understood that . But the first step in any change is ranked choice voting. If we had that then we could do three parties or more.

    As it stands, we've devolved into a two-party system and neither party will give up control.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 hours ago (1 child)

    If you have a path to change the system of governance, that could be worth pursuing. But voting isn’t a path to that - just a form of harm reduction within the system.

    You still buy groceries - even though you may hate the process of handing over your net worth for something that helps sustain your life and want to change that.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

    Oh is it time for "Both Sides" already? Forgot to mark my calendar

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