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Biden ‘not sure he’d be running’ in 2024 if Trump wasn’t: ‘We cannot let him win’ (www.theguardian.com)

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[–] [email protected] 79 points 11 months ago (13 children)

The fact that people look at Biden and go "Yeah but he sucks!" when you have an opponent literally saying he is attacking American democracy and wants to be a dictator on day one.

A wave of lava lapping at you're feet and y'all are worried that the raft trying to save you is a lil old. Motherfucker it is your only option.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 11 months ago (14 children)

Jesus fucking Christ...

Is this to suggest that out of all the options in the DNC, Biden is not just the best one available, but the only person in the DNC capable of winning an election against fucking trump?!?

That is a hella sad implication.

It's kinda sad as well that after four years at the helm (arguably), the best the dude can go with as a campaign is to just drag out the same lame ass "I'm not trump" he ran on last time... Not that "I'm not trump" isn't worthy of a vote, it is in my opinion, but shit man, you can't hold up anything else, after 4 years?

Anyone know who's going on the libertarian ticket next year?

[–] [email protected] 36 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Just like Hillary was the only person who could beat him in 2016…

I feel like we’re sleepwalking into a dictatorship because of old fucks thinking they know better and that now is their time.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Unfortunately we're in a position this election cycle where our options are vote for old fuck, or let Nazi old fuck win.
I'm not thrilled about it either but it's something we can sort out after this election cycle. There's a much larger and important issue on the table than age and it needs to be dealt with first.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (7 children)

I'm not thrilled about it either but it's something we can sort out after this election cycle

Said everyone who ever defended the preferred candidate of the DNC to someone with actual ideals and principles every single election cycle for the last 40+ years.

That's how we got to a situation where a Trump presidency was anything but a throwaway joke from The Simpsons that was supposed to be over the top satire.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Meanwhile this has been the best Democratic presidency in 50 years. Way more progressive policies passed than Obama but I guess none of that matters because he’s old.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago

I am not sure I agree with best in 50, but I'm open to being wrong. I do know that each time I read a list of his achievements, it's kind of impressive for someone who gets shit on constantly

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Traditionally, Incumbent has higher chances of winning. DNC whole thing is taking "no risks". I remember how people would say they loved Burnie and still voted for Biden in the primaries. I'm like wtf. DNC slogan should be "not the GOP". Sad part is risk of Trump is too high for third party middle finger vote. people did that when DNC shafted Bernie the 1st time and we got trump. DNC knows this.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago (6 children)

It would be great to do the third party middle finger vote but that just gets the fascist elected. I see people complaining about Biden (even though I think he’s doing a pretty good job, despite the shortcomings) and say they won’t vote for him if he doesn’t do some single issue thing and I just can’t help but think that’s a super special level of privilege. Like really?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I guess it really is super privilege to think third party route or abstaining is taking power back or "sticking to the man". I think it's lack of knowing the consequences and ideology thinking anything will change with the DNC. I really hope GOP crashes with soon so we can finally vote third party but I suspect That will never happen.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago

Ranked choice voting is spreading. That's our shot at having more viable options.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Hillary Clinton already ran on "I'm not Trump". So yeah, during an entire decade, the Democrats' only winning argument is "we're not literally criminal fascists".

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (13 children)

Democracy involved compromise, unless you just wanted to be defeated in detail in the political arena. You may wish that boomers and their views didn't exist, but for as long as they do, they are a reality that needs to be faced.

If you just ignore them and push them towards the repub candidates, then it isn't progressives that win, but republicans. Who can then do away with democracy at some point and secure their position despite dwindling demographics, in classic Realpolitik fashion.

Gramps may not get all the nuances of the modern world, I doubt any 80+ yr old does, regardless of how good their briefings are. But he does understand why moderates are important. And he's good at diplomacy in general.

Yes the system sucks. This is not news to anyone already past their teenage years. It's what we got though, and to reform it, you need progressive politicians, which will need moderates in order to win vs entrenched repubs. Reality is a bitch, and it doesn't treat purity very well.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

Anyone know who's going on the libertarian ticket next year?

I know it will be an absolute moron

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

It's actually just resignation to the fact that people are so uninterested in their children's futures that they couldn't be bothered to learn about a new candidate. I don't think he's wrong about it, sadly.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Do I want to vote for biden? Fuck no.

Am I going to? Absolutely.

We have a 2 party problem in this country but 1 party country run by deranged republicans sounds like shit. Their supreme court has already stolen thousands of dollars from me with their shitty rulings. Not to mention the basic rights they're continuing to strip from everyone

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I just want to know what's going on in the minds of these schizo liberals and moderates who plan to vote Trump because Biden isn't left enough for them.

Like, I want a candidate further left than Biden too, but I'm not going to vote for the literal antithesis of a left-leaning American candidate. That just signals to the establishment that Biden wasn't safe enough and next time they'll put someone who is even more conservative as the nominee, and the Overton window shifts even further to the right.

Has everyone already forgotten what a shitty 4 years it was under Trump? He's not an unknown variable anymore, we know exactly how bad a second term is going to be.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Can Trump just die already?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Only the good die young

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 11 months ago

I would vote for a literal russet potato over Donald Trump.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

We got this guy Not Sure.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

He's got a higher IQ than every man alive.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

He’s going to fix everything.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Over 300 million people in this country and these two are the best we can do? And I actually like Biden and think he has done a solid job.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What dumb shit to say that's going to be used against him.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I dislike JB. I despise Cheeto chimp. Friggin' politics are infuriating.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago

Alright, I'll say it. I like Joe. He's low maintenance. He got things done (infrastructure). He's fucking Putin in every which way he can. He's talking to China. The gave money directly to the people instead of just to the corporations. I think that helped the economy of the general population better than it did than the great recession.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Jesus, Joe, why say that? You’ll lose a lot of people who are on the fence by admitting your heart’s not really in it.

He may be the best we’ve got, and I’m still voting for him for the same reason he’s running, but Biden has been such a terrible disappointment. He’s wasted the time he’s had.

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