An award-winning ESPN producer resigned after 24 years over the network's embrace of sports betting: “I’m not going to have blood on my hands.”

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[–] 6 points 1 hour ago

Idk if it's a coincidence, but since F1 and MotoGP have been bought by Liberty Media, they started featuring prominent betting statistics before the start of the race.

It's disgusting.

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  • [–] -4 points 38 minutes ago* (last edited 32 minutes ago)

    I don't agree with her at all (I am pro sports betting and other betting), but I do admire her for standing up for what she believes in. Rare today

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  • [–] 24 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

    We're going to look at the normalization of gambling, especially online, as a huge mistake.

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  • [–] 1 point 24 minutes ago

    The crazy part is that the US can already see exactly how this path goes by looking at Austrailia. And unlike Austrailia the US can't rely on high rollers from Asia where gambling is largely illegal.

    As a cheapskate who likes casino promos I'm personally pro-gambling, but we need incredibly strong regulations to prevent self destructive levels of it. The stuff you see in the assistance line while adding promos to your players card is crazy. The casino workers don't even question it when people ask for a cash advance on their credit cards.

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  • [–] -5 points 36 minutes ago* (1 child)

    No, that's how we'll look at the drug war and normalizing throwing people in dungeons over drugs (and gambling).

    A free society is a gambling and drug-using society. Your viewpoint is conservative, and an unfortunate side effect of our fundamentalist religious roots.

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  • [–] 3 points 22 minutes ago

    fuck you

    it can be legal and not normalized, gambling is retarded and exploitative. there is no reason to have gambling ads anywhere, keep it in the casinos and regulate and tax the shit out of them.

    you're braindead

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  • [–] 95 points 1 day ago (13 children)

    I’m not opposed to sports betting on its own, but I am absolutely appalled at how much it’s bastardized everything.

    It’s one thing if it’s in small doses and you can sort of just ignore it. It’s another thing when EVERY FUCKING SITE AND PLATFORM has gambling odds, gambling ads, gambling sponsors. Etc. You can’t blink without these predators trying to siphon money from people.

    If I were a recovering gambling addict and sports fan id be heartbroken right now.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 hours ago (1 child)

    Even more to it too. Once it gets big enough you start getting match fixing, so it ruins the sport and also endangers all players since fixing all but necessitates organized crime.
    The final outcome is a world where someone bets on a runner up, and goes out to shoot the champion, to steal money from the addicted masses.

    The same issues apply for betting on other real world things.

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  • [–] 1 point 49 minutes ago*

    There’s an episode of The Shield where another team is coming to town to play the Lakers and the detectives kidnap the star player under some bullshit about a threat to his safety and keep him in a hotel until he can’t make the game. I suspect similar things have happened and will increase.

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  • [–] 15 points 17 hours ago (1 child)

    We can thank Trump's Supreme Court for this. They overturned a previous ruling with a case in 2018 and now here we are.

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  • [–] 23 points 19 hours ago

    What's extremely scary about online sportsbetting is how they game the user into falling further into the spiral with dark patterns. I can't see that anyone with a slightly addictive personality could possibly not get completely railroaded into massive debt.

    This shit has to be addressed, and soon.

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  • [–] 29 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

    It ain’t even just sport anymore. Election coverage on CNN includes Kalshi odds like it’s a fucking scientific study. Gambling is everywhere online too? Games, livestreams. Crypto casinos where they can get kids hooked.

    Some of the initial friction between live streamers with the online left was when “gamba” became prevalent and they started calling it out.

    It used to be illegal to have online poker like 25 years ago and now there are DraftKings banners in metro train stations and LeBron got $15mil annually to stump for Polymarket. What are we even doing?

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  • [–] 34 points 23 hours ago

    Yeah I’m not some pearl-clutching puritan by any means, but all of this deeply embedded gambling (and “prediction market” bullshit) is not going to end well. The scandals, fixes, and chicanery will be off the charts and it’ll ruin sports.

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  • [–] 12 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

    I had a friend once who got a call from a sports bettor trying to sell their picks and asked him how much he bet on football a season. He said about $500. The guy laughed and hung up

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  • [–] 7 points 15 hours ago (1 child)

    The world has embraced decadence. Things that were once considered distasteful or brutish have become mainstream.

    UFC is one example. Sports betting another.

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  • [–] -1 points 33 minutes ago*

    UFC and sports betting is not "decadent".

    They're fundamentally human activities that people enjoy (as they always have for all time).

    The Saudi Royal family is decadent, not betting 20 bucks on your favorite team.

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  • [–] 84 points 1 day ago* (1 child)

    Good for her. It's incredibly difficult to walk away from a job like that and a job that she's had for so long.

    So it came as a shock to many people, including Nicole Noren, a longtime ESPN producer, when ESPN licensed its name to a gambling app in 2023. By then, ESPN, like so many sports outlets, was promoting betting at virtually every opportunity; now it would encourage fans to use ESPN Bet. The app, which stood to generate a billion and a half dollars for the network over ten years, proved to be an embarrassing flop. But it was promptly replaced by a partnership with DraftKings, the sports gambling giant. These days, DraftKings ads blanket ESPN coverage, and this past March the companies enabled customers to link their ESPN and DraftKings accounts. It’s a partnership, a press release explained, “that goes beyond a traditional marketing arrangement, redefining how fans engage with sports.”

    For Noren, ESPN Bet was the last straw. “I was out,” she told me. “I’m not going to work for a gambling company and have blood on my hands.” ESPN wasn’t an easy place to leave. Noren had worked there for twenty-four years, winning Emmy, Murrow, and Peabody awards, mainly for her work on Outside the Lines, the investigative newsmagazine. She was entrusted with some of the network’s most serious and sensitive reporting, involving topics such as gender-based violence, the mental health of college students, and concussions. With the NFL back in full swing—and ESPN preparing to carry its first-ever Super Bowl, in February—Noren spoke publicly for the first time about her own family’s experience with compulsive gambling. “Addiction dictated every part of our life,” she said. “It’s very, very personal to me.” Our conversation has been edited for length and clarity.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 day ago (4 children)

    I absolutely loath how ingrained it has become in sports. They have specific segments during half times about betting odds and there are banners everywhere for the various betting site.

    To a lesser extent, I also hate what fantasy sports have done for various sports as well, mostly NFL. I don't think it's as bad as explicit gambling, but I just dgaf about anyone's fantasy scores, teams, or whatever. That they take time out to cover that shit is annoying and is amongst the various reasons I no longer watch the NFL after 30 years of watching the Packers religiously. The product as a whole is just not enjoyable anymore.

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  • [–] 12 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

    I didn’t mind playing FF, but the heartbreak it provided each week wore me down over 20yrs. Won a couple of championships, but I also had rookie FF players win championships. Lots of luck involved. T’was a casual league, but one guy kept treating it like bloodsport so I decided to stop managing a couple years ago. With the inundation of gambling in the NFL I was so disgusted I gave it up altogether. I might tune in if someone else wants to but I’ve gained soooo much time back by not watching game after game. My fav team is even currently doing well, but I don’t really have any fucks to give either way. The owners have ruined the product through greed and avarice. Very apropo for this timeline.

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  • [–] 5 points 17 hours ago

    I watched my first baseball game in a few years the other night. Had to turn it off. Between the draft kings, garbage political ads, AI slop pushing, viagra dick pills, and DEPARTMENT OF WAR commercials... Ugh it's so sad. Our society is so fucked. If only we cared about education, healthcare, infrastructure, childhood development, etc the same. So much wasted resources, brain power, and ambition.

    Makes me so sad. My kid is being raised in a hell hole. Doing what I can to protect her but good gravy I don't even see a way out anymore. Sports are something I've all but given up on, and those commercial breaks during the guardians game reminded me why.

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  • [–] 4 points 22 hours ago

    Pretty much nailed in. I've been away for probably 4 years now and honestly I have no interest in the game at all. I was at a bar with friends a few years ago when some of their friends were doing a fantasy draft and was wearing a pair of Packers shorts. A Bears fan came up and started giving me some gruff and I just told him I hadn't been following the NFL anymore so I was current on events. He just kept trying to give me shit, so I went ahead and returned the favour as a Packers fan to a Bears fan. Afterwards I was telling my buddy that while I don't watch or care anymore, I will always take the opportunity to dunk on the Bears.

    I used to go to at least one game at Lambeau every year for about a decade. I do miss the excitement of being at a live game with 70k other people, but I just don't have any desire to go to another. I would absolutely tag along for the tailgate though and hold down the fort as everyone else went in.

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  • [–] 4 points 16 hours ago

    Between this and scams entire generations of wealth are being siphoned off.

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  • [–] 3 points 15 hours ago

    this encourages rigging of sports game, if its not already rigged.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 day ago

    It’s not making sports better that’s for sure.

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  • [–] 5 points 19 hours ago (1 child)

    Fastest growing addiction in America.

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  • [–] 0 points 16 hours ago (1 child)

    maybe it will finally get fewer eople to care about sports

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