The claim quickly picked up speed, and gained specificity: that following the Ukrainian strikes, all kinds of internet users were suddenly less present online, including MAGA accounts, those supporting Reform UK, and ones supporting AfD, the German ultra-right party. A Polish political scientist shared claims that bot activity supporting AfD had dropped by 56 percent, a post that was viewed millions of times and has since been deleted. As Radio Free Europe has reported, a Czech politician shared a similar claim, writing, “So much talk about German patriotism…then the connection from Russia goes down.”

The underlying claim, in other words, was that a great deal of political activity online across a number of countries is inauthentic and led by Russian bots. Their sudden alleged silencing was a simple, feel-good story amidst the endless fight against online disinformation.

“I’m sorry to burst everyone’s bubble, but as of now, there is no solid evidence that Russian bot farms have become inactive.”

The only problem was that it simply wasn’t true.

Tech experts quickly explained that the “bots” that had been taken offline by the Yandex strike were actually bot crawlers, also known as web crawlers, which continually browse the internet in order to index web pages. A widely circulated chart from Cloudflare, the infrastructure company, did indeed show a drop in traffic from Yandex’s servers, which made sense; both the company’s web crawlers and search index requests were disrupted by the bombing campaign.

The first issue, then, was the word “bot,” which “means different things in different contexts, which is contributing to some public confusion,” explains Renee DiResta. She’s an associate research professor at Georgetown University’s McCourt School of Public Policy, a social media researcher, and a globally recognized expert on disinformation. “It is used as shorthand for both web crawlers and online trolls. Web crawlers plummeting makes sense, but online trolls usually have more resilient infrastructure.”

The second problem, however, was that the ultra-specific claims about less activity in certain areas—MAGA, pro-Kremlin bot accounts, and AfD—had absolutely no basis in fact.

“We see no “dramatic drop” in traffic of Kremlin-aligned human trolls-for-hire targeting Russian domestic users (which we have been tracking for years),” wrote Antibot4Navalny, a group of anonymous researchers who track and respond to Russian disinformation.

Participants in one study tended to “overestimate the prevalence of bots and see others as more vulnerable to bot influence than themselves.”

“I’m sorry to burst everyone’s bubble, but as of now, there is no solid evidence that Russian bot farms have become inactive due to the Yandex data centre strikes,” agreed Vatnik Soup, another group that monitors Russian government-backed disinformation. “This doesn’t mean the strikes haven’t had an effect, but no one has demonstrated it with solid data so far,” the account added. “Many users have reported seeing fewer pro-Kremlin posts and replies since the strikes, and some automated pro-Russian and pro-MAGA accounts have reportedly gone silent. But this could simply be a coincidence.”

“We don’t see it,” tweeted Valedmar Osted, who works at the Scandinavian tech and social media advisory firm Common Consultancy. “We took 76 AfD politicians and 136 MAGA accounts on Facebook. We compared each post with that account’s normal. Same post age. Same weekday. Same time of day. AfD after the strikes: −8% to +5%. MAGA: +4% to +10%. That’s ordinary day-to-day noise.”

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[–] 36 points 16 hours ago (1 child)

If you think about it, you can send some lemmy libs into a spiral by saying that hexbear saw no drop in activity after said drone strike. Though they'll probably just claim that our servers are in Shenzhen or something.

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  • [–] 35 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

    “This doesn’t mean the strikes haven’t had an effect, but no one has demonstrated it with solid data so far,”

    made-it-the-fuck-up

    You've proven I made it up, but you still have to prove that I'm wrong... because, you know, Russia Bad.

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  • [–] 13 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

    No it's that you can't prove a negative.

    It's completely reasonable careful speech that leaves open the possibility of not having a complete picture.

    You should always make clear the boundaries of your knowledge and leave room for evidence to come to light.

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  • [–] 15 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

    Since they don't have evidence to present I'm pretty comfortable saying they made it up.

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  • [–] 10 points 16 hours ago (1 child)

    It's different people speaking ffs.

    Rumour going around: X is true

    Expert (asked about X): There is no evidence X is true, however if evidence comes to light X may be true

    Totally fucking normal and healthy thing to say, the literal bar in hell for discussing truth and separating it from fiction

    you: Why isn't this person just calling everyone a liar with no evidence of a lie? Why aren't they staking their integrity and reputation on a claim with no evidence?

    THIS WEBSITE IS A SHARED HELL, LEARN TO THINK FFS

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  • [–] 11 points 15 hours ago

    I'm hearing someone say "just maybe Ukraine has struck a blow against the Russian bot farms making the west racist, and just maybe these bot farms are even a real thing." It's someone engaging in a discourse of pure bullshit. That's what I call making things up.

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  • [–] 35 points 18 hours ago (1 child)

    primed to believe it

    is this a euphemism for "lied to by bourgeois media"

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  • [–] 11 points 13 hours ago*

    Euphemism for “our society is racist and Russophobic and accepts propaganda confirming these predispositions with very little or no evidence”

    Same with anything about DPRK, capitalist press makes up the most absurd lies and nobody even questions it

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  • [–] 31 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

    Notorious Russian Bot farm Hexbear.net survived a critical strike on YakDex servers. putin-wink

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    I got called a bot for pointing out the data center bots are just web crawlers. When I quoted the Snopes article saying as much, they fell back on “well I know what I’ve seen!”

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  • [–] 8 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

    Just a heads up, take snopes with a few kilos of salt. They're CIA/adjacent.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 hours ago (1 child)

    Yeah I know they can be, questionable when it comes to breaking news and certain politics. But A, it was the first source I could find and B, libs tend to treat it as a reliable “fact checker” so I figured they wouldn’t dismiss it outright as Russian propaganda.

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  • [–] 57 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

    The same post on .world is getting downvoted anya-heh

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  • [–] 42 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

    “We see no “dramatic drop” in traffic of Kremlin-aligned human trolls-for-hire targeting Russian domestic users (which we have been tracking for years),” wrote Antibot4Navalny, a group of anonymous researchers who track and respond to Russian disinformation.

    “I’m sorry to burst everyone’s bubble, but as of now, there is no solid evidence that Russian bot farms have become inactive due to the Yandex data centre strikes,” agreed Vatnik Soup, another group that monitors Russian government-backed disinformation.

    Ugh, these names... nl-despair

    While public perceptions on bots are understudied, the researchers added, “A consensus on the definition of social bots is lacking; people appear to use the term to refer to a variety of entities, from fake profiles and spammers to fully-automated accounts. This ambiguity provides social media users with a scapegoat for their unpleasant online experiences. For example, one may reject accounts with opposing political views by labeling them as bot.”

    wonder-who-thats-for

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  • [–] 54 points 22 hours ago* (4 children)

    a lie goes halfway around the world or someshit, libs will insert this tidbit in their worldview, and repeat it 10 years later anyway.

    (leaving aside the ball knowledge that yandex is a bunch of entity-lovers and navalny enjoyers in a trenchcoat, not government outlet)

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  • [–] 41 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

    They seem to ignore all that 'facebook got trump elected' mantra they all were on in 2016. They are all right back on Facebook and pretend they never said that.

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  • [–] 33 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

    It's never about what's true, it's always about what's most ideologically convenient

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  • [–] 7 points 17 hours ago (1 child)

    Why would Democratic libs not want to accept that there's 10s of millions of Americans that are in fact huge chuds?

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  • [–] 11 points 15 hours ago

    Because that would require introspection on how their liberal system failed to prevent it. Anti-establishment sentiment is viewed as manufactured by outside destabilisers, similar to more vulgar models of "colour revolutions".

    If liberals have to introspect, the only non-radical conclusion they can make is that they need to rein in progressive policies that supposedly cause backlash, because doubling down would further polarisation. In both cases the reasoning and solutions are idealist; it has to be because liberal democracy can't deliver the material solutions needed to genuinely solve it, or because liberalism opposes said solutions.

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  • [–] 62 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

    Libs want a victory to point to and are absolutely willing to lie to achieve it

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  • [–] 36 points 22 hours ago (8 children)

    wouldn't surprise me if bot farms (many kinds, many possible countries of origin) spread this narrative for whatever flood the zone type reasons.

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  • [–] 23 points 20 hours ago (1 child)

    It's possible but by now means necessary to explain the spread of this story. This story is exactly what a large group of people want to hear, of course they are going to believe it.

    I think that actually existing bot farms are largely operated for profit. Unserious (I'm tone not impact) political messaging is already incredibly engaging and viral. Accounts farm followers with political and outrage slop and then pivot to promote other shit for profit.

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  • [–] 18 points 21 hours ago

    I can buy that, there's another no kings brunchapaloosa this weekend so maybe the goal was to get the majority of libs talking about this instead of the Iran War and reframe everything to be more favorable to the neoliberal establishment worldview that was starting to show some cracks even amongst boomer libs

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  • [–] 18 points 21 hours ago

    Maybe if you're extremely gullible

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