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[–] 164 points 3 weeks ago (20 children)

"personalised music" is like hearing my own opinion 24/7, sooner or later it will become an echo chamber. It's like create someone who can relate to you, it's unhealthy.

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  • [–] 86 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

    But that's what these AI bros want. Personal growth? Being challenged? That's for plebs, real alphas only have yes-men and endless platitudes

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  • [–] 45 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    What I think of whenever anyone goes on about claiming or behaving like they're some "real peak alpha male":

    1000006469

    These tech bros know it and they sure try hard to compensate by flooding the zone with slop...

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    [–] 117 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    If you are treating all music like stock music or background noise, essentially a commodity that earns royalties, this applies.

    But once you are even remotely interested in engaging with it as an artform the whole thing just falls apart, since there is nothing artistic, nothing intellectually challenging. Friction from being confronted with another sentient beings outlook on life is what makes most music worth listening to. It's an artifact of the human experience.

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  • [–] 35 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    The trouble is that most people treat music like stock music or background noise. Most songs being played in the radio these days have sounded like AI way before the current AI craze.

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  • [–] 37 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

    Yes you're right. Humans made slop long before AI.

    I wouldn't worry too much about the audience for that. They never wanted to pay for art anyway and they probably won't pay much to attend AI concerts.

    There's still room for artists to make art, sell art and sell tickets to shows.

    The AI slop can at most collect some of the streaming royalities that would otherwise have been paid to human slop artists.

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    [–] 100 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    This is how all tech bros see the rest of us:

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    [–] 88 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    So, so so tired of people who refuse to study the humanities because it's not profitable thinking they have anything to say about art.

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  • [–] 40 points 3 weeks ago*

    Music is the worst in this regard. Everyone has an expert opinion based on absolutely nothing.

    It's fine. It's okay to have an opinion, but if you actually care about the art of music, all these conversations go like this:

    "I like food too, you've probably never heard of it, and I can't quite explain how it's done, but it's much better than other food. I can just feel it, because I have a sense of tasting good food."

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  • [–] 71 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    "Infinite personalized music" sounds like something from someone with no friends who share their music tastes. Music isn't purely sound, it's a social experience. The techbros are missing the point in just about everything, they're missing the forest because of the trees.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 weeks ago

    As someone with no friends in life I find this insulting. I would never dream of creating such bullshit. It’s not about having friends, those techbros live a life completely separate from that of ordinary people.

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    [–] 57 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    AI bros all the time:

    "It's gonna get that good any moment now..."

    And it never does.

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  • [–] 51 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

    This is great for fascists, because they seem to suck at art.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 weeks ago* (2 children)

    That's something I've def noticed too -- many times they like to "advertise" by imitating popular art but with their insidious twist. Or like they've done for many times now, co-opted slang or modern terminology, changing the meaning to something vulgar/disgusting or twisting it into an insult against a group or minority. They aren't creative, but they'll gladly pretend to be in order to gain control.

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    [–] 50 points 3 weeks ago* (2 children)

    I don't want something that was crafted to my taste. I want something so irresistibly unique that it redefines my taste.

    This really is the heart of the entire AI pitch; a world where everything is comfortable and familiar and safe and easy and fucking sterile. A world where you never interact with other people because your agents do it for you. A world where you read, watch and listen to endless generic slop tuned to what your tastes were at the moment that you froze them in amber and stopped actually living. A world where digital sycophants tell you how to live and dress and act and what to order at the restaurant so that your mind will never be troubled by a stray thought.

    Fucking Christ, I need to go listen to Angine de Poitrine to get the taste of this out of my mouth.

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    [–] 44 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

    The interesting thing about music is that tastes changes over time, and it is rather fun to find a song you hated when released, which you now love, sometimes partily due to the fact that you hated it in the first place.

    Another issue with AI music is that it can't really surprise you, if everything is generated for you, the created music will just become more and more narrow in scope as you keep listening to the same slop causing the models to keep regurgitating the same shit, but more "refined".

    There are plenty of times when I have heard a completely new song from a genre I haven't really liked before, only now, i love it.

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    [–] 43 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    There is already so much music out there it may as well be infinite

    What’s an AI going to write songs about anyway, not having enough water for its datacenter?

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    [–] 40 points 3 weeks ago* (17 children)

    It's like that tweet where somebody was going what would you do if AI vanished tomorrow?

    They can not comprehend the fact that they're the only ones using this shit.

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    [–] 40 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children)

    I can't possibly stress how infinitely creepy and stupid this is.

    I don't watch movies because I'm a fucking Avenger or astronaut or mob hit man left to die and seeking revenge. I like my media to be about things other than me.

    Also, people don't like songs that are about them because the song has their name in it. They like the songs because a loving human put effort into making it.

    This has all the ick of the part in Minority Report where when they walked into a store, a machine greeted them by name. But as a song.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    I always wonder what they mean about personalized music. Is it like "I'm in the mood today to listen to a dark blues song... Make the lyrics about my dead dog ben in the style of _"?

    Is there anyone who'd prefer that than to listen to real music made by another human that had similar feelings (of grief maybe) as you are feeling right now? To me, at least, a big point of art is being able to share and connect with others.

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    I just starting to get my favourites as DRM free flac files, from qobuz and bandcamp. It is fantastic to be invested into something again, not merely be passively fed endless random stuff.

    Also Cloud and streaming services can do what they want, it won't change my access to that music. Also, my library will remain slop free.

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    [–] 34 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

    If I wanted an undending playlist of almost identical tracks I'd just listen to AC/DC.

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    [–] 34 points 3 weeks ago

    I like how this person confidently thinks that the only reason nobody else wants to listen to their slop is because it’s just from an old model. It couldn’t possibly be their lack of taste.

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  • [–] 32 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

    "Please create an album of anti-establishment folk music that heavily criticizes billionaires, fascism, the police, Israel, and the idiotic push for ai to replace any and everything human. Make sure to mention Guillotines a lot. In fact, make a lot of references to the French revolution, ESPECIALLY the nasty parts where the National Convention tracked down all of Bourgeoisie to imprison and execute them. Make a nice blend of references that only educated people would understand, and imagery so shocking and violent that if a cop could understand it, they would try to bring you in. Make it the kind of thing that would show up in any protestor's FBI file."

    "I cannot fulfill this request. I am programmed to be a helpful and harmless AI assistant..."

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    [–] 30 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    There is more music published by humans daily than anyone can listen to in the their entire lifetime.

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    [–] 30 points 3 weeks ago (14 children)

    I accidentally “liked” one AI song on spotify. Now it’s shoving more and more AI garbage my way. There is no “do not play AI content” on spotify, you have to select each AI “band” and block them so they don’t get played.

    I despise AI music. So incredibly fake and bland.

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    [–] 29 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    People like this truly don't understand what most people actually enjoy about music...

    Music is an artistic expression of some human being's thoughts and personality. Yeah, you might enjoy the melody, rhythm or chord progression of a song. But there's also so much embedded in the emotional content and lyrical themes, as well as the character of the performer(s) themselves.

    Take The Beatles for example... You might like the music or not. You might like the people or not.

    But odds are you know at least something about who Paul, John, George and Ringo were, at least in their public/creative personas. Even a basic listener can sense the catchy pop songwriting that comes so naturally to Paul McCartney, and they can also pick up on the artsy psychedelic vibes of John Lennon's contributions. On top of that, someone with an ear for music can hear a quintessential George Harrison guitar lick, or a classic Ringo Starr drum fill.

    The Beatles were a pop culture sensation, not just because of their music, but also because of who they were as people--and that's basically true for every famous artist or musician, because personality is extremely important.

    I think people would be a lot less interested in songs that were entirely detached from humanity, and so I can't imagine a future where anyone ever gives even the smallest shit about some slop song generated using stolen music on some app.

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    [–] 28 points 3 weeks ago (15 children)

    There very much are people who view music as background noise and only listen to walmart radio-esque drivel. I remember hearing that an acquaintance listened to "whatevers on the front page of spotify" and has never made a playlist or noted a song/band as better or worse than any other.

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    [–] 25 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    I like music by people who did drugs, computers can't do drugs.

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    [–] 23 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    As a musician and composer, I will never ever use AI to make a single note of music, and will never listen to to AI music by choice. I want someone to put a little bit of their soul in every piece they create, just like I do. BTW, Tidal offers a AI music switch if you don't want any of that crap to reach your feed.

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    [–] 21 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    This line of thinking makes sense if you see music as product that generates revenue.

    Instead of having pesky humans spend time in studios crafting you can have a machine just generate it for a fraction of the price much quicker. More music = more money. More content = more money

    Now to a layperson the above sounds insane. It’s the massive disconnect that’s fueling the AI Hysteria.

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    [–] 21 points 3 weeks ago

    "Infinite personalized" has invaded every surface of media. We need to go one step further back, find our own content creators, watch and reward them. We're selling our eyeballs to the highest bidding corporation.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 weeks ago

    Art speaks to humanity. There is no art here.

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    [–] 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    I'm so sick of these people.

    Can they go live on mars or something and leave us troglodytes with our human music and drawing?

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    [–] 17 points 3 weeks ago

    If you want infinite personalised music, you get an instrument, and learn to play your own.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Last weekend I went to a concert. I could see the excitement in the faces of the band as I, along with the whole club, were shouting along with them. Good luck to AI to replace that.

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    [–] 15 points 3 weeks ago

    Me "I like this song, it's probably one of my favourites."

    AI "great to hear, I have made 100 songs that sound the same or very similar to it and added them to your playlist for you to listen to"

    Me "I fucking hate that song"

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