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[–] 138 points 1 week ago (58 children)

They’ll be banned faster than you can memorize the spelling of Xiaomi. At least in the US, where we make sure the old inefficient companies stay afloat despite their incompetence.

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  • [–] 49 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (42 children)

    Chinese cars are heavily subsidized by the state. The reason they're so cheap is because China bets it can squeeze the competition out of the market before charging basically whatever they want.

    I've seen Starbucks do the same thing to independent coffee shops.

    Edit: This is a post about real car companies like Nissan, Volvo, Mercedes, Renault, whatever. I don't care about America. Nobody has for decades.

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  • [–] 67 points 1 week ago (24 children)

    Oh yeah, because US car companies are NOT subsidized at all /s

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  • [–] 25 points 1 week ago

    Both statements can be true at the same time. But the scale of one is many times larger.

    China’s MO from rare earths and magnets to cars to silicon follows the same plan. Take IP, Subsidize the industry, Research, once you have a monopoly use it to squeeze adversaries.

    I will say at least China is willing to kill off underperforming companies.

    The US needs to let a lot of legacy companies that aren’t performing die off. It also needs to break up oligopolies in many industries. Why compete when you can buy up the future competitors and set prices with a handful of competitors. The financialization of our economy is choking us.

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  • [–] 47 points 1 week ago (8 children)

    And yet even at 2-3x the price, the Chinese EVs provide a better value than the handful of the American options they would compete against.

    This SUV would be competing with the likes of a high end EV option like Lucid or Tesla. The Lucid Gravity starts a around $70k, and the Tesla Model X (now discontinued) was around $92k.

    The Xiaomi SU7 (the car the Ford CEO has driven since 2024, despite being banned in the US) starts at $32k and clearly is targeted to compete the Porsche Taycan at $112k.

    The vehicle in this article has heated floors, a projector, a pop-up roof, a fridge, swiveling seats, and over 1,000 miles of range. Functions western companies consider "luxury" are basically just standard in the Chinese market like heated and ventilated seats. They don't even bother to advertise things like that because it's a minimum expectation. There are zero western options that come close to something like that. The options available in the US suck, even taking industry subsidies into account.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    Frankly, american cars could use a knockdown. Tesla was our only real hope, and we would have glided into a strong Tesla and EV empire if conservative dems didn't bail out GM, Chrysler, and Ford. Additionally, Tesla wouldn't have been in a position to get bought by a dumb nazi.

    I'd say, let their stuff in. Lets get some good cheap and subsidizes vehicles from China on the condition that they don't raise car prices by more than 2% a year.

    American companies will more than likely fall on their face and hopefully die. Making room for a new american car company to take their place.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 week ago (10 children)

    So you think the entire world's auto manufacturers outside of China are incompetent and inefficient? People always act like the only vehicles sold in the US are domestic brands when they don't even make up a majority here.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Well I wouldn’t say they’re all incompetent but look at how glacial all the “traditional” car companies have become. These guys are innovating at a speed never seen before while your traditional car manufacturers are stumbling over themselves trying to keep up.

    On the german side, just take a look at BMW and how long it took for them to come up with a competent electric platform. They just got their first car on a good platform (the new X3). Mercedes still doesn’t have a good EV, and neither does Audi. Their etron is outdated.

    Moving to the Japanese brands. I know Toyota isn’t focused on EVs at all and their hybrid is top notch so they’re one of the better ones out there. But no one else is even close. Not in terms of value for money. Not in terms of tech.

    The only ones that get close are Tesla because, like the Chinese, they’re running their car companies like tech companies and not car companies.

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    [–] 96 points 1 week ago (20 children)

    Can we just fucking STOP doing SUVs please? And huge trucks. And all the rest of that oversized garbage.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 week ago (8 children)

    But without SUVs, people would be embarrassed driving minivans and without huge trucks, there would be nothing to compensate for small penises.

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    [–] 41 points 1 week ago*

    Yes, I fear those SUVs but not because that one is cheap, for an SUV but because oversized SUVs kill people (at a much higher rate than regular cars, even those with comparable loading volume).

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  • [–] 36 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    In my experience Chinese cars have loads of cool features that sometimes even work.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    I always love seeing the headlines that say "west should fear when other countries beat them at their own game". It's the same stupid rhetoric that Trump keeps barking about AI and how "we have to beat China".

    Mate, you all fucking caused everything to happen. Where do you see anything that says "Made in USA" anymore? Not that that would mean much today anyway given the shit quality the US has, but seriously.

    They're just making up hysteria based on nothing. Nobody wants to fucking go to an office 5 days a week just to do remote meetings. Nobody wants to be dependent on cars for getting around.

    Nobody wants all this forced AI shit in our everyday lives. Just get over it. The endless conquest of world domination held by a handful of influencers is over. The world must change and to start, it must end all of this greedy ass capitalism which only seeks to cause misfortune for the rest of us.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 week ago (35 children)

    Damn, never though I'd say this, but I think China is gonna save capitalism from itself.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 week ago (12 children)

    My guess is that these Chinese manufacturers will kill the old automakers that are in rapid decline after decades of low quality products at high prices.

    I don’t know if the Chinese brands have good quality but they’re priced lower than the expensive low quality trash that’s already on the market from all the other automakers.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 week ago (9 children)

    sell cheap to kill competition around the world. leverage new global monopoly for fun and profits later.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    This. I'm all for competition and innovation, but this is subsidized by the Chinese government to exploit a lack of manufacturing in other countries.

    If you've heard about how food or clothing donations harm local farmers and weavers, same principle. We should be encouraging domestic production around the world, not allowing one country to undercut everyone else.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 week ago (14 children)

    China is better at capitalism than the US is.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

    Nah. It's just another rug pull in preparation. Undercut prices until the competition breaks, then fuck things up with your monopoly. We're in the undercutting prices phase, but the Chinese will want to have their fair share of interest on the subsidies they use to do that right now. It's the same old fucking capitalism again and nothing is saved from it.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 week ago*

    Thanks for the ad. I really needed it.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 week ago (4 children)
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    [–] 16 points 1 week ago

    Not in the US. We have a captive market that keeps us from ever seeing one.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 week ago

    It's not just brands that should fear it, but also people living in cities. Say no to SUVs, even if you "sometimes go to camping, once or twice a year" (yeah, that's the justification for everyone buying them).

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  • [–] 13 points 1 week ago

    Xiaomi Has a Luxury SUV for $31,000 That All Western Brands Pederstrians Should Fear

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  • [–] 10 points 1 week ago

    Western brands don’t care cause they just lobby to ban them from the west.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    I've apparently read my limit of Wired articles this month.

    What's it say?

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  • [–] 19 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    If there's one thing that can unite the world in these AI-troubled times, it's everyone's love of SUVs. For decades, the SUV has been the savior of the car world. Accounting for nearly half of all new sales worldwide, this is by some margin the largest segment in the global auto industry.

    Sedans? Forget it. Ford doesn't even sell a traditional sedan in the US now. China still likes a sedan. About a third of all Chinese autos are in this form, compared with less than half that for the US. But Chinese carmakers know full well how much we love our chunky SUVs, so they are focusing their efforts to lure the Western world away from familiar marques.

    Indeed, Xiaomi has just played its hand in this particular game, revealing the remaining details earlier this month in Beijing—including the all-important pricing—of its coming SkyNomad SUVs. Bentley and Range Rover may well have revealed their flagship electric SUVs, but both will be mightily worried about just how many scalps Xiaomi Auto's SkyNomad SUVs will take from them. If they're not, they should be. Sedan to SUV Image may contain Transportation Vehicle Car Car Interior Car Seat Chair and Furniture

    The new Xiaomi Auto SkyNomad N70 is a five-seat, extended-range EV that has better technology than a Range Rover at half the price of a Velar. Courtesy of Xiaomi

    Trucks and SUVs represent more than 80 percent of new vehicle sales in America these days. Marc McGrath, US CEO of the automotive manufacturer Schaeffler Group, tells WIRED that one of the main reasons the company is developing its own solid-state batteries is to properly electrify the power-hungry trucks and SUVs Americans so dearly love. No one wants another F-150 Lightning U-turn.

    The shocking success of the Jaecoo 7 is a prime example of SUV supremacy. This Chinese-made ride has enjoyed a staggeringly meteoric rise in the UK, going from an unknown newcomer in 2025 to now being one of the country’s best-selling new cars. Nicknamed the “Temu Range Rover,” it comes in both gas and hybrid flavors, and the company liberally uses the word “luxury” in its marketing, yet the vehicle costs just £29,210 (a little over $39,000).

    These 7s are becoming ubiquitous on UK roads. My local Nissan dealer has swiftly dumped the Japanese brand and is now an official Jaecoo dealer, offering not just the 7, but the Jaecoo 5 and 8. I can't think of another auto brand that's enjoyed such a rapid rise.

    Other Chinese brands are playing the same tactic in Europe, such as XPeng and BYD, but the big one incoming is Xiaomi Auto, set to launch in Europe in 2027, despite only making its first EV in 2024. Astonishingly, its SU7 Ultra claimed the title of “World’s Fastest Sedan” the very same year.

    Far from a Temu pretender, the SkyNomad is not only tech-laden, it's also seemingly high-end, with seating that purports to be “more like an Italian sofa.” The SkyNomad N70 is a five-seater that, especially in its “Stealth Black Edition” guise, looks almost exactly like a Range Rover from the outside, and far more successfully than the Jaecoo. Image may contain Cushion Home Decor Floor and Window Courtesy of Xiaomi

    The N90 Max Studio has a pop-up roof that lifts 100 mm to open a sleeping loft. Image may contain Computer Electronics Laptop Pc Accessories Glasses Adult Person Transportation and Vehicle Courtesy of Xiaomi

    The SkyNomad floor rail system makes for a super-configurable interior.

    The larger N90 is a seven-seater that also comes in a “Max Studio” camper version, complete with a pop-up roof. The second row can transform into a bed with one touch of a button—no disassembly, no mattress needed—just 30 seconds from upright seats to a flat, large bed.

    The theme of reconfigurable interiors continues. A flat floor, courtesy of the Kunlun platform, comes with sliding rails built in from the front seats to the boot, meaning all (yes, all) the seat sections can move about. The front seats spin a full 180 degrees to face the second row; floor-mounted tables slot between the rows to make for “living-room-style" layouts; the center console can move forward or back at the press of a button; and rear legroom can max out at over 5 feet. In the N90 Max Studio, the pop-up roof lifts 100 mm to open a sleeping loft with 1.8 meters of headroom, along with heated flooring (!), a built-in projector, and a 30-inch projector screen.

    An amazing optional extra for the SkyNomad is Xiaomi's version of in-brand car-to-car communications. Essentially, it's a walkie-talkie that runs on cellular network coverage rather than short-range radio, so it's marketed as having “unlimited range” and looks very similar to tech Xiaomi already ships in its phones.

    Just stop for a minute and compare what you've just read with the sorts of interior innovations Western brands deliver on flagship models these days. Power doors, multi-point massage seats, relaxation programs with scent sprays, and a central console that moves maybe 10 cm are the typical cutting-edge fare. The SkyNomad makes US and European efforts look, frankly, lazy—right when they desperately need to stop their decline and show they can compete. Image may contain Transportation Vehicle Car Car Interior and Car Seat Courtesy of Xiaomi

    Despite the price, Xiaomi is offering an aggressively specced SUV. Image may contain Transportation Vehicle Car Aircraft Car Interior Cushion and Home Decor Courtesy of Xiaomi

    Seat rows can move forward and back, allowing floor-mounted tables. Image may contain Chair Furniture Transportation Vehicle Cushion Home Decor Car and Car Interior Courtesy of Xiaomi

    The front seats can swivel around 180 degrees to make meeting spaces. Image may contain Furniture Courtesy of Xiaomi

    A low-power fridge continues to cool when the car is powered down.

    There's more. “Full scenario” voice control; customizable head-up display; lidar units, high-definition cameras, and Nvidia's Thor-U chip for level 2-plus autonomous control. A low-voltage power system apparently keeps “sentry mode” drain to under 5 kilometers of range overnight, so the onboard fridge running on 0.72 kWh a day can offer up to 24-hour continuous cooling.

    The extended-range plug-in hybrid powertrain combines a 1.5-liter turbocharged internal combustion generator with battery packs and dual electric motors. This ICE engine never drives the wheels, but the SUV can charge from 20 to 80 percent in as little as 18 minutes for a 300-plus-mile electric-only range, or 1,000-mile combined range. Yes, these stats use China’s far more forgiving CLTC cycle, but this converts to about 700 miles using stricter US EPA standards.

    Now to the clincher: the price. The maxed-out N90 Max Studio with its camper roof clocks in at RMB 299,900, about $44,700. The entry-level N70 Pro five-seat, rear-wheel-drive model with its movable “Italian sofa” seats, lidar, 14-speaker sound system including subwoofer and headrest speakers, and prodigious range is just RMB 209,900, or just over $31,000—about the same as a 2026 Hyundai Tucson.

    Earlier this month, I asked a Western luxury auto CEO what he thought about Xiaomi Auto. He laughed. “They make vacuums, don't they?” he scoffed. I think he'll rue the day he said that. It reminds me of when, in a 2011 Bloomberg interview, Musk laughed when asked if he saw BYD as a competitor. Musk isn't laughing now. Make no mistake, Xiaomi is coming to clean up.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Given the quality of some of their cheaper cars, this is a probably a shitbox.

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