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[–] 10 points 58 minutes ago (2 children)

I dated a British girl in high school. She microwave broccoli in water. No salt or seasoning. No butter. No nothing.

She took it out, drained the water and told me her dish was done.

That was the last time she made anything for us.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 minutes ago

    Sounds like me, except I would drink the broccoli water.

    Once you reset your palette, cutting out excess salt and sugar and cheap fats, and processed foods, you learn to enjoy the taste of whole foods all on their own. Salted ourselves to taste, which is far less than processed food will add.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 hours ago (7 children)

    There's somewhere between 10 and 20 spices in the food pictured, why do you think its orange?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 hour ago* (2 children)

    Use sparingly:

    Salt

    Pepper

    BBQ rub seasoning from ???

    Onion powder

    Garlic salt

    Misc. dried Italian herbs you've owned for years

    Anything else left in your pantry

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  • [–] 6 points 23 minutes ago* (1 child)

    sparingly

    onion

    garlic

    Garlic and onion seasonings are measured with the heart, not the brain.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 minutes ago

    Camping advice from a feral Redneck, throw garlic and onion powder in your pack. It'll come in good if you need a bit of oomph for your food, or you pull a me and over season the unholy amalgam of top ramen noodles and flavoring, chili, mac and cheese, and a hot dog tasted meh but the calories meant I didn't need to eat for 30 hours so it was fine.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 hour ago (1 child)

    "spices", in this context, is Obese American for " salt, butter, and bacon grease"

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  • [–] 1 point 9 minutes ago

    Ha ha, that is the holy trinity.

    But spices are used to disguise low quality ingredients just like the aforementioned salt, fat, and sugar. Namely garlic and onion powders, which are added for that purpose to all manner of processed foods that they aren't elsewhere. IE italians are aghast at pizza sauce having garlic in it.

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  • [–] 53 points 4 hours ago* (13 children)

    I know that it's mostly a joke, yet it is worth mentioning that those valuable spices were exclusively used by the rich and wealthy. Ordinary people and their food did not benefit from the spice trade at all. If you delve a little bit into culinary history and find out what the aristocrats did with (for example) extremely rare and precious nutmeg the British Empire fought wars over, you want to dig up their bones, revive them, just so that you can kill them again.

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  • [–] 1 point 21 minutes ago*

    The limies weren't even that big into the spice trade, it was the dutch. You mention nutmeg, nutmeg and cloves came from a certain string of small indonesian islands only. There were some english traders there, when the dutch were trying to monopolize the trade.

    The dutch sent a delegation, that angered the natives that killed them. The dutch came back and exterminated the natives. Killed every single one of them, and the english and other traders there.

    Edit: Adaman islands if memory serves, fuzzy on the years no time to look up.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 hours ago (6 children)

    I mean, that's true, but hasn't been the case for at least a century, so why do they still eat like the aristocrats are hoarding all the spices?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 hour ago (3 children)

    WW2 rationing really messed up their culinary scene

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  • [–] 3 points 1 hour ago (1 child)

    Sure, but that ended in the 50s. They can no longer reasonably use that excuse.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 hour ago

    The real problem in my view is that people don't recognise post-imperial fusion cusines as 'legit' British food even though the curry house is the definition of an Anglo-Indian institution. When people in Britain claim the tikka masala it's not being twee or politically correct, rather it's earnestly considering an immigration-originated fusion cusine as part of the wider national one.

    Also even pre-20th century British food isn't exactly bad, I'd argue it doesn't travel amazingly in many cases but a Sunday roast in our climate is sheer perfection. Too many people expect France or Italy from a country with nothing like their climate.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 hours ago

    You're somewhat correct but also not.

    The spice scarcity and making do without is a result of two world wars ravaging a somewhat isolated island nation. See e.g. the Irish potato famine. Some were misfortunate enough to have no food at all - and many had to live with bland, rationed food items.

    Those decades were formative and a lot of that stuck around.

    And to be perfectly honest... I kinda like it. I like spiced (spicy in the flavourful, not the hot sense) food too, but there's some beauty in putting together a dish of meat and potatoes where you let the flavour of the meat and potatoes come through. In some sense it's actually similar to Japanese cuisine, specifically sushi, where the focus is on the fish itself, with minor added flavours (salt from soy sauce, heat from wasabi).

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  • [–] 6 points 3 hours ago (1 child)

    wow i dont have time to research what they did. tell me what did they do?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 hours ago

    They ate it, mostly as a status symbol. They'd carry it around with a small silver grinder to add it to their food. I'm not sure what was so bad about that, other than adding something worth a laborer's salary for a year on your food. Also, it contains myristicin which if one consumes enough in one sitting can sort of give a high - a really bad one with hallucinations that go in for 48h - don't try it, it can make you very sick.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 hours ago
    [–] 9 points 4 hours ago (11 children)

    visited a greggs for the first time this summer, i was genuinely shocked at what they served. it's like they went out of their way to not put any flavor in. and it was packed.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 hours ago (7 children)

    Yeah because a Stilton and cheese bake is totally favoueless, right?

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  • [–] 4 points 48 minutes ago (1 child)

    Not enough salt and corn syrup for the discerning American tongue

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  • [–] 1 point 13 minutes ago

    We are forced into it, there are few to no not super sugary and salty and fatty processed foods here.

    The only way to get away from it is to eat whole foods, which is also the cheapest and otherwise healthiest way to eat, if you don't consider all the chemicals they douche our food in, or the poison shit they fertilize fields with here, (shitty story, municipal sewers will accept industrial waste of all sorts, then sell the result to farmers to use, now laced with all sorts of nasty stuff. Often applying it wrongly because there is no regulation anymore, leading to run off on top of it. A problem mostly solved from the 70's on, that came back this last decade.)

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    [–] 2 points 2 hours ago

    We only got them to stop the Dutch getting them.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 hours ago (6 children)

    The tragedy is that many of the spices most jealously traded for became so integral to British and international cuisine that memesters don't even realise that they were ever unusual or expensive. I guarantee you that those baked beans have a bunch of black pepper in them and guess what... pepper don't grow in Britain! It's in more or less every single kitchen thanks to a global spice trade that is now forgotten. Ginger is a main flavour in many British recipes and also doesn't grow in Britain.

    But Britain was in fact not that big a player in the spice trade, being beaten by the Dutch, who got there first and had better financial backing. The British East India Company tried to make its way by raiding ships of the Dutch East India Company but after a bunch of wars eventually had to settle for less exciting endeavours - trade in cotton being a staple.

    The Dutch are themselves not renowned for their food either, though it is my firm belief that every country has great food if you're willing to look past your prejudices, and stamppot is great.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 hour ago (3 children)

    I just wish long pepper was more widely known, I can get it easily from Indian shops in the UK but it's not so widely known or available. It's among my favourite spices, think black pepper but way more aromatic and 'flowery'. It was known to the Romans but fell out of favour many centuries ago in Europe.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 hour ago (1 child)

    I bought some to make some old recipes (from Tasting History, which I imagine is a not-insignificant driver of online types having long pepper..?) but had to go online. The local place I go to for spices also didn't have lovage or savoury - tsk!

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  • [–] 1 point 38 minutes ago

    Haha guilty as charged, him and Historical Italian Cooking both introduced me to it.

    One thing that's somewhat more annoying to get hold of is Colatura di Alici, the garum-like anchovy sauce. You more of less must order it from Italy and ship internationally. Absolutely top-tier stuff though, I use it in modern dishes too. I can see why it was so popular.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 hours ago (4 children)

    You can't improve on perfection

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  • [–] 4 points 4 hours ago

    Curry beans would like a word

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