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[–] 3 points 1 hour ago

I guess I'm an unreasonable player, when they put a big "Buy" button I foolishly assume I am buying it.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 hours ago

    Sony is taking heat, rightfully so, and I hope this changes things, but this is a more pervasive problem. Plenty of other companies do the same thing. I hope future rulings change how all companies operate when it comes to digital sales of games, movies, and music. What that looks like, I don’t know. Maybe lower costs of games that you don’t physically own. Maybe the inability to lock people out of games they purchased even if their accounts are banned for whatever (probably AI decided) reason. Probably many other potential options that would not be anti-consumer.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 hours ago (1 child)

    If only one Person can own gta6, what follows would be that a Copy of gta6 would not be the one Product called gta6, since it would be unreasonable to assume, that this Copy was the one original Product. Since no Product was involved no theft has taken place. Sony still has its Product. No one Else is in Control of it. It would be unreasonable to assume the Copy was the Product.

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  • [–] 18 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 child)

    When a company advertises a game for purchase, a reasonable person would expect to purchase a buy-once perpetual license to play the game as long as copyrights and online code of conduct are respected. Otherwise, it's only a rental, not a purchase. Geez, if this is a class action, let me in on it! Sony is full of shit.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 hours ago

    Exactly. I would only expect to lose the license if Sony went out of business and was no longer running the servers and did not make arrangements to let the software owners licenses continue after that, which a decent business would do.

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  • [–] 58 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

    Because "order" and "add to cart" are metaphors a reasonable person uses for licensing contracts?

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  • [–] 3 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

    Not sure if Sony has updated their store pages, but this is at the bottom of every page. I'm going to assume you also need to confirm you've "read the terms and conditions" at checkout.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

    At least in the European Union, the Unfair Contract Terms Directive and Digital Services Act put strict limitations in what the terms can do, especially if the contract cannot be negotiated individually.

    Even in the US laws regarding false advertisement might apply if most of the communication says one thing and the ToS no one reads say another.

    EDIT: and Chinese and Brazilian courts already gave indication that the terms are not fully enforceable there.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 hours ago

    I know it isn't the law but I feel like the burden of proof that somebody has actually read and understood the terms and conditions and was of sound mind when accepting it, should be on the company. Who knows, maybe I was just about to read the full thing and went to get myself a cup of coffee, while I was gone my cat stepped on the keyboard and pressed accept. And if the company can't prove beyond any reasonable doubt that I did in fact read, understood and accepted it, then the Terms and Conditions are effectively nulled.

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  • [–] -4 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

    I'll probably be jumped on for this but I think that's a fair presentation of the transaction. When you buy software on physical media in stores the mechanisms are identical to purchasing non-licensed items, yet you've never owned those either. They have always been licenses.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 hours ago (1 child)

    Not true at all. I grew up in the age of dial up internet. When you bought software, you owned it. That media was yours to run on your hardware as you saw fit barring certain public/commercial uses, much like you're not allowed to buy a DVD to make copies and distribute it on your own.

    However, the expectation of exchanging money for ownership is about as old as money itself. If we were talking about, say, a blacksmith and their craft that you paid solid gold for, you would therefore be okay with the blacksmith showing up one day to reclaim their iron because you only purchased a license to his materials and not the ownership of the product? I don't see that being acceptable to you. What makes software different, especially when it doesn't require internet connectivity to actually function? I don't need connectivity to access locally stored media, and fuck Sony for reaching into anyone's account and deleting access to something they bought, full stop.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 hours ago

    This is on the first page of the manual for Blizzard's 1994 video game "Warcraft: Orcs & Humans" Does this sound like you own the game? Games have always had licences, they're much more restrictive now, but they've always had licences.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 hours ago

    It's unfortunate that anything less than demanding CEOs be shot in the head gets downvoted, but that's just online discussion today. I don't like restrictive licences either. It's why I use Linux and not Windows. Thankfully, people have a choice in the software they use and the games they play. I'm just not going to buy from Sony again. Problem solved.

    Nobody is demanding Microsoft have a less restrictive licence for Windows. I don't understand why the games Microsoft publishes are treated differently than the rest of their software.

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  • [–] 13 points 10 hours ago*

    The real battle here is about DRM and the ability of these games companies to stop people being able to play games, resell and do ownership things with their games. This is going to require government intervention that much has been clear for a long while.

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  • [–] 15 points 11 hours ago (1 child)

    And any reasonable jurist or judge knows you're ripping off your customers.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 hours ago (1 child)

    Seems like they're saying if it was a disc, I'd have ownership of that disc. But since it's digital, I have nothing.

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  • [–] 13 points 11 hours ago

    You own the disc, you own the physical representation of its content. You don't own the means to (indefinitely and irrevocably) use it's contents. Or something along this line

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  • [–] 10 points 11 hours ago

    If that's their metric from reasonable, then there are no reasonable PlayStation players.

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