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[–] 340 points 3 weeks ago (46 children)

Literally sharia law honor killings.

We have lost texas

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    [–] 274 points 3 weeks ago (35 children)

    "As I lifted the gun to show her I suddenly heard a loud bang," Kris allegedly said. "I did not understand what had happened. Lucy immediately fell."

    Bullshit. This means he took a loaded gun, failed to clear it, put the barrel in the direction of a person, and pulled the trigger. Guns don't just "go off". All while having admitted to relapsing on alcohol. I count four mistakes there, where any one of them not having been made would have prevented this incident.

    It's almost like you'd have to intend to make that series of mistakes.

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  • [–] 51 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    Lets break it down... (mostly for the non-americans who aren't used to guns)

    • Gun was loaded. You shouldn't be storing a loaded weapon. So he either loaded it there or is an irresponsible gun owner.
    • Gun was pointed at a person. Never point a gun (loaded or not) at anything you don't intend to shoot.
    • His finger was on the trigger. No trigger discipline at all. Index finger should be planted on the frame while doing literally ANYTHING other than meaning to pull the trigger.

    This is the basics... Anyone who's taken any gun safety course would know, any responsible gun owner would know and religiously follow...

    1. Treat every gun like it's loaded
    2. Keep your finger off the trigger
    3. Don't point at anything you don't plan to shoot
    4. Be aware of what's behind your target
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  • [–] 38 points 3 weeks ago* (27 children)

    So, fun fact: Alexander Hamilton may have killed himself.

    He supplied the dueling pistols for the duel with Burr, and a few things about them.

    • He had them custom made with a larger, more deadly bore.

    • He had modified the trigger to require a much lighter pull than most pistols would have required.

    • The musical (of incredibly dubious historical value) even makes note of this, he was seen fiddling with the trigger prior to the duel, and selected his pistol first.

    Accounts on Hamilton firing in to the air differ, but what is consistent are accounts of Burr seeming pretty shocked when his gun went off. Accounts also pretty universally indicate that he tried to rush to Hamilton after he'd been shot to lend aid before being escorted away.

    Anyway, that's not at all meant to refute your claim. Guns generally don't just "go off".

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    [–] 107 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

    I think about this girl all the time. Her own father shot her over Trump. Trump. I just can't wrap my head around it. Or around the jury deciding to just let him go. There's corruption there somewhere.

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  • [–] 37 points 3 weeks ago

    To be fair, it's hard to prove causality.

    Maybe he shot his own daughter because he loves Trump.

    Maybe he loves Trump, because he's the kind of man who would shoot his own daughter.

    Maybe it's a bit of both.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Back during his first term there was a story on the Risk podcast where an Asian guy told the story of going home after some time away at college and visiting the family that adopted him when he was a baby; and how, when he said he didn't support Trump, that family almost beat him to death right there in the living room. It was one of the most heartbreaking stories I've ever heard in my entire life. I think about that shit a lot.

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    [–] 74 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

    Manslaughter in front of a grand jury didn't even stick. It's like the prosecutor had vacation plans didn't want to to reschedule.

    The awful thing is that if the family is behind the alcoholic trump father since he is still alive, there is no one left to bring justice in her name. Is she just to be forgotten and swept under the Texas rug?

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  • [–] 28 points 3 weeks ago

    Trump country is different. I was driving through a rural township and saw these signs “justice for some guy” and searched for the name. Nearby towns news article said he had multiple accounts of SA on kids and when the cops arrived with a warrant, he drove drunk into a bunch of stuff before getting rolled into a ditch. And now half the locals are mad that he’s in jail presumably without bail. WTF.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 weeks ago

    the boyfriend says the the daughter and father always argued when he brought up him owning guns and the father claims they never discussed it before once and he accidently shot her when he was just showing her his gun. while he was drunk, the boyfriend also says the father pulled her into the father's room before he heard the shot go off. it sounds like the judge, and prosecution in TX don't really care if you kill your kids as long as you say 'oops' well enough.

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    As I say, the love they have for even their own children is entirely conditional. They will make you the enemy and kill you at a moment's notice. If you have MAGA in your family, kick them out of what they can come to. Ostracization from family and society is the only nice thing we can do against them.

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  • [–] 61 points 3 weeks ago (19 children)

    He claimed he had a conversation about guns with his daughter and she asked to see the gun, having never discussed his gun ownership with him before.

    In the statement, Kris Harrison, who admitted drinking wine earlier in the day, said: "As I lifted the gun to show her I suddenly heard a loud bang. I did not understand what had happened. Lucy immediately fell."

    He told police who attended the scene: "We got it out to have a look and just as I picked it up it just went off."

    The inquest heard a grand jury in the US had determined there was insufficient evidence to charge anyone in connection with Lucy Harrison's death.

    Well. I guess the moral of the story is do not visit the USA.

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  • [–] 28 points 3 weeks ago (13 children)

    He just straight up murdered his daughter and they bought the story "I dunno officer, it just went off". It's bullshit on a whole other level. Guns don't just "go off" unless it was an sks it took a decision. And that decision was that he loves trump more than his daughter. As a veteran, a gun owner and a parent, that sickens me more than just about anything you could conjure up from history.

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    [–] 59 points 3 weeks ago (19 children)

    I'm here about the title.

    The local jury

    Grand jury.

    He was immediately released

    Yes, that's how this works.

    Now, bear in mind, I'm only here about the part of this from the title that I quoted. For anyone outraged by that part, no.

    The way this works:

    1. A matter is put before a grand jury. Only evidence submitted is by the prosecutor. Nothing from the defense. The standard of evidence is "probable cause", which is a very very low standard. Basically, unless someone screwed something up massively, there will almost always be sufficient probable cause for a case to go forward.

    2. If probable cause is indeed found, the case will proceed. It may eventually have a trial by jury, where both sides present their case and a jury decides - for civil matters the standard is preponderance of the evidence (i.e. majority of evidence seems guilty or not), for criminal it's beyond a reasonable doubt, meaning it seems pretty clear and any evidence that is against seems unlikely.

    So speaking generally, when indictment in front of a grand jury fails, it means one of something like these happened:

    1. Fundamental evidence failed "probable cause". For example, say it resulted from a traffic stop, but it was found that the traffic stop had no legal justification. Because of "fruit of the forbidden tree", it might be entirely thrown out
    2. Perhaps the prosecutors failed to get their shit together on evidence
    3. Perhaps, as is theorized by some in this case, the prosecutor felt they had to present the case, but threw it on purpose, sort of like a prosecutorial nullification, if you will

    So again, not talking about the case (I've discussed/debated in other threads - this is not a new story), just the parts of the title that make it clear OP doesn't understand the difference between a jury and a grand jury. :)

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  • [–] 31 points 3 weeks ago

    do also note, that if the prosecution doesn’t like the results of the grand jury he can just keep doing it over until he gets the answer he wants… unless he is actually not trying for a conviction.

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    [–] 56 points 3 weeks ago

    I'd rather KILL my OWN DAUGHTER then to say Trump is WRONG!

    -LITERALLY Republicans!

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  • [–] 51 points 3 weeks ago (17 children)

    Imo, if it was your gun, unless it was literally stolen from a locked gun safe, anyone who dies by it is automatically your fault.

    Doesn't really matter what the circumstances were. If anyone is even in a position to be injured or killed by your weapon, it usually means you acted negligently in either handling or storing the weapon.

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    [–] 45 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Would be a shame if someone shot him for his political beliefs. A damn shame.

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  • [–] 44 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    I'll never understand the appeal and hold Trump has on the minds of weak men who worship him. This man killed his own daughter is insane.

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    [–] 32 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

    I hope they were immediately released if you can't get an indictment. The reason they couldn't get an indictment is because the prosecutor didn't really want one. Grand juries only really hear what the prosecutor wants to tell them. That's why it's said you can get an indictment on a ham sandwich. If the prosecutor just said "he shot her after an argument" with no exculpatory evidence he would've gotten an indictment and that would've been okay and cool with the US supreme Court.

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  • [–] 24 points 3 weeks ago

    Fascism is alive and well in Texass.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 weeks ago

    That's a funny way of saying murdered...

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  • [–] 19 points 3 weeks ago

    Ah, the original use of jury nullification.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 weeks ago* (15 children)

    Coroners don't determine whether a death is lawful or not...

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  • [–] 60 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    Family members were in tears during the hearing at Cheshire Coroner's Court as Coroner Jacqueline Devonish announced that she found Lucy Harrison died due to unlawful killing on the grounds of gross negligence manslaughter.

    The coroner said: "To shoot her through the chest whilst she was standing would have required him to have been pointing the gun at his daughter, without checking for bullets, and pulling the trigger.

    "I find these actions to be reckless."

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