▲ 286 ▼ TIL that a man killed his daughter in Texas after arguing about Donald Trump. The local jury declined to indict him. He was immediatly released. (abc6onyourside.com) submitted 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) by Fossy@programming.dev to c/til@lemmy.world 53 comments fedilink hide all child comments WTF https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg1ex3w91no
[–] lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world 171 points 3 hours ago (4 children) Literally sharia law honor killings. We have lost texas permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 12 points 52 minutes ago "Unlawfully killed" "Shot dead" "Possible manslaughter" It's MURDER. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blibly@lemmy.world 52 points 2 hours ago They don't see sharia law as evil or unjust, they see it as competition to their own authoritarianism. Right idea, wrong religion (barely lol) permalink fedilink source parent [+] jaaake@lemmy.world -10 points 2 hours ago (1 child) Literally a drunk and completely incompetent gun owner. He should be punished and made an example of. Your statement makes this sound completely intentional. The court appears to believe the claim that her death was accidental. I don't doubt that he had no intentions of killing his daughter. This should be a textbook example for gun licensing and requirements of safe storage. This man's negligence cost him his daughter and the court decided this was enough. I don't think the court went far enough and I think this should be the basis for further legislation, but let's not turn this case into a bogeyman about honor killings. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 hour ago* (2 children) He wasn’t indicted. The Texas jury didn’t care about the murder enough to punish him whatsoever, that’s the problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] jaaake@lemmy.world 1 point 5 minutes ago That's a problem, yes. That's the main reason why this man wasn't given any sort of punishment in this specific case. This isn't the first time someone has shot a family member without the intent to kill, and it won't be the last. Something needs to be done about it at a fundamental level. I realize that isn't going to happen, especially in Texas. But that doesn't change the fact that we need common sense gun laws in this country. This is a fucking travesty and a miscarriage of justice. It's doing nothing to deal with this specific scenario nor the larger problem that too many idiots have too much access to deadly weapons. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Carl@anarchist.nexus 4 points 51 minutes ago* (last edited 44 minutes ago) Worth noting that indictments are laughably easy to get, because there is no defense lawyer. An indictment isn’t a conviction, it’s just the prosecution going “yeah we probably have enough evidence to bother with a trial.” The old joke is that a grand jury will indict a ham sandwich for murder if the prosecutor wants them to. The prosecutor has full control over what evidence the grand jury sees, and the rules around evidence are a LOT more relaxed than they are in court. The prosecutor could basically scribble out a “yeah I did it lol” note on a napkin and present it to the grand jury as evidence. It wouldn’t stand up in court, but it doesn’t need to if the prosecutor just wants the indictment. The grand jury is just an arm of the prosecutor, and is used as a political tool whenever a trial would be politically inconvenient. Because the district attorney is typically elected, which means they need to pander for votes. So if it would be politically inconvenient to prosecute someone, they can simply refuse to bring any evidence to the grand jury. Because (again) they have full control over what evidence the grand jury sees. For example, let’s say a cop murders someone in the street. It’s on video. The public is out for blood. But the prosecutor has to work with the police to do their job, and the police union is threatening to stop collecting any evidence at crime scenes if they prosecute this cop. Prosecutor is between a rock and a hard place, because they’d be torching future trials just to appease the public. So instead, they simply don’t bring any evidence to the grand jury. The grand jury is a faceless shadowy organization that can’t defend itself. It’s the perfect scapegoat. So when the grand jury refuses to indict (because they weren’t presented with any evidence) the district attorney can jump in front of the news cameras and go “I tried to prosecute them, but that big mean grand jury refused to indict. But remember, I did my best! Vote for me!” Cops are happy because the prosecutor didn’t indict, the public is placated because the prosecutor “tried” to indict them, and the cogs of the legal system keep grinding away as intended. So with all of that being said… If he wasn’t indicted, it’s because the prosecutor didn’t want to bring it to trial. permalink fedilink source parent [+] KC_Royalz@lemmy.world -20 points 2 hours ago (4 children) Ya when people say Dems have a chance of winning Texas. Call that person a moron and go on with your day permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] felixthecat@fedia.io 2 points 19 minutes ago If we had 100% voting population Republicans would never win again anywhere, especially in texas. That is why Republicans are so eager to disenfranchise voters. They're trying to take away voting rights of women by making voters who change their name ineligible. They love the apathetic idiots who never vote. Right now trump seems to have killed mail in voting for this year. Unless something changes the new usps system is sure to disenfranchise millions. permalink fedilink source parent [–] starik@lemmy.today 2 points 34 minutes ago* It’s a perfect storm for Dems this year in Texas. They have a good candidate for that state - a likable, charismatic young man who talks about his Christian faith a lot. The Republicans are fielding a particularly bad candidate - a corrupt attorney general who was nearly impeached by his own party for fraud, whose wife recently divorced him for cheating, and who narrowly won a closely contested primary. Beto came within 2.5 points of Cruz in 2018, and Cruz was/is popular in Texas, and Republicans in general weren’t as reviled back then. It’s still no better than a coin flip, but Talarico could win this year. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 26 points 2 hours ago (1 child) Like nearly all the US, the cities are heavily blue and the rural parts are heavily red. The only difference between blue states and red states is which side of the halfway line it’s tipped towards. And nearly every state is close to the halfway mark—including Texas. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Lili_Thana@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 hours ago (2 children) Texas has more dem voters than some states have people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] baronvonj@piefed.social 4 points 1 hour ago We have loads of left-leaning people who are eligible to vote. If more of them would actually vote, we'd get somewhere. Fortunately, the primary turnout numbers this year look good. More Democratic voters than Republican in the Senate race, and pretty close to even for the Governor. Compare to 2024 when over 2/3 of primary ballots cast were Republican. Polling looks better than 2018 with Beto v Cruz. permalink fedilink source parent [–] KC_Royalz@lemmy.world -2 points 1 hour ago (2 children) And yet not once have they even been close to winning permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 2 points 47 minutes ago Beto came pretty close against Cruz. But that was basically it in the last 30 or so years. Every other time has been a route basically. The Texas Democratic party is beyond incompetent. permalink fedilink source parent [–] the_mighty_kracken@lemmy.world 1 point 1 hour ago You aren't even close to being right about that permalink fedilink source parent [+] yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 hour ago* [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 12 points 52 minutes ago "Unlawfully killed" "Shot dead" "Possible manslaughter" It's MURDER. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Blibly@lemmy.world 52 points 2 hours ago They don't see sharia law as evil or unjust, they see it as competition to their own authoritarianism. Right idea, wrong religion (barely lol) permalink fedilink source parent
[+] jaaake@lemmy.world -10 points 2 hours ago (1 child) Literally a drunk and completely incompetent gun owner. He should be punished and made an example of. Your statement makes this sound completely intentional. The court appears to believe the claim that her death was accidental. I don't doubt that he had no intentions of killing his daughter. This should be a textbook example for gun licensing and requirements of safe storage. This man's negligence cost him his daughter and the court decided this was enough. I don't think the court went far enough and I think this should be the basis for further legislation, but let's not turn this case into a bogeyman about honor killings. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 hour ago* (2 children) He wasn’t indicted. The Texas jury didn’t care about the murder enough to punish him whatsoever, that’s the problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] jaaake@lemmy.world 1 point 5 minutes ago That's a problem, yes. That's the main reason why this man wasn't given any sort of punishment in this specific case. This isn't the first time someone has shot a family member without the intent to kill, and it won't be the last. Something needs to be done about it at a fundamental level. I realize that isn't going to happen, especially in Texas. But that doesn't change the fact that we need common sense gun laws in this country. This is a fucking travesty and a miscarriage of justice. It's doing nothing to deal with this specific scenario nor the larger problem that too many idiots have too much access to deadly weapons. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Carl@anarchist.nexus 4 points 51 minutes ago* (last edited 44 minutes ago) Worth noting that indictments are laughably easy to get, because there is no defense lawyer. An indictment isn’t a conviction, it’s just the prosecution going “yeah we probably have enough evidence to bother with a trial.” The old joke is that a grand jury will indict a ham sandwich for murder if the prosecutor wants them to. The prosecutor has full control over what evidence the grand jury sees, and the rules around evidence are a LOT more relaxed than they are in court. The prosecutor could basically scribble out a “yeah I did it lol” note on a napkin and present it to the grand jury as evidence. It wouldn’t stand up in court, but it doesn’t need to if the prosecutor just wants the indictment. The grand jury is just an arm of the prosecutor, and is used as a political tool whenever a trial would be politically inconvenient. Because the district attorney is typically elected, which means they need to pander for votes. So if it would be politically inconvenient to prosecute someone, they can simply refuse to bring any evidence to the grand jury. Because (again) they have full control over what evidence the grand jury sees. For example, let’s say a cop murders someone in the street. It’s on video. The public is out for blood. But the prosecutor has to work with the police to do their job, and the police union is threatening to stop collecting any evidence at crime scenes if they prosecute this cop. Prosecutor is between a rock and a hard place, because they’d be torching future trials just to appease the public. So instead, they simply don’t bring any evidence to the grand jury. The grand jury is a faceless shadowy organization that can’t defend itself. It’s the perfect scapegoat. So when the grand jury refuses to indict (because they weren’t presented with any evidence) the district attorney can jump in front of the news cameras and go “I tried to prosecute them, but that big mean grand jury refused to indict. But remember, I did my best! Vote for me!” Cops are happy because the prosecutor didn’t indict, the public is placated because the prosecutor “tried” to indict them, and the cogs of the legal system keep grinding away as intended. So with all of that being said… If he wasn’t indicted, it’s because the prosecutor didn’t want to bring it to trial. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 hour ago* (2 children) He wasn’t indicted. The Texas jury didn’t care about the murder enough to punish him whatsoever, that’s the problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] jaaake@lemmy.world 1 point 5 minutes ago That's a problem, yes. That's the main reason why this man wasn't given any sort of punishment in this specific case. This isn't the first time someone has shot a family member without the intent to kill, and it won't be the last. Something needs to be done about it at a fundamental level. I realize that isn't going to happen, especially in Texas. But that doesn't change the fact that we need common sense gun laws in this country. This is a fucking travesty and a miscarriage of justice. It's doing nothing to deal with this specific scenario nor the larger problem that too many idiots have too much access to deadly weapons. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Carl@anarchist.nexus 4 points 51 minutes ago* (last edited 44 minutes ago) Worth noting that indictments are laughably easy to get, because there is no defense lawyer. An indictment isn’t a conviction, it’s just the prosecution going “yeah we probably have enough evidence to bother with a trial.” The old joke is that a grand jury will indict a ham sandwich for murder if the prosecutor wants them to. The prosecutor has full control over what evidence the grand jury sees, and the rules around evidence are a LOT more relaxed than they are in court. The prosecutor could basically scribble out a “yeah I did it lol” note on a napkin and present it to the grand jury as evidence. It wouldn’t stand up in court, but it doesn’t need to if the prosecutor just wants the indictment. The grand jury is just an arm of the prosecutor, and is used as a political tool whenever a trial would be politically inconvenient. Because the district attorney is typically elected, which means they need to pander for votes. So if it would be politically inconvenient to prosecute someone, they can simply refuse to bring any evidence to the grand jury. Because (again) they have full control over what evidence the grand jury sees. For example, let’s say a cop murders someone in the street. It’s on video. The public is out for blood. But the prosecutor has to work with the police to do their job, and the police union is threatening to stop collecting any evidence at crime scenes if they prosecute this cop. Prosecutor is between a rock and a hard place, because they’d be torching future trials just to appease the public. So instead, they simply don’t bring any evidence to the grand jury. The grand jury is a faceless shadowy organization that can’t defend itself. It’s the perfect scapegoat. So when the grand jury refuses to indict (because they weren’t presented with any evidence) the district attorney can jump in front of the news cameras and go “I tried to prosecute them, but that big mean grand jury refused to indict. But remember, I did my best! Vote for me!” Cops are happy because the prosecutor didn’t indict, the public is placated because the prosecutor “tried” to indict them, and the cogs of the legal system keep grinding away as intended. So with all of that being said… If he wasn’t indicted, it’s because the prosecutor didn’t want to bring it to trial. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jaaake@lemmy.world 1 point 5 minutes ago That's a problem, yes. That's the main reason why this man wasn't given any sort of punishment in this specific case. This isn't the first time someone has shot a family member without the intent to kill, and it won't be the last. Something needs to be done about it at a fundamental level. I realize that isn't going to happen, especially in Texas. But that doesn't change the fact that we need common sense gun laws in this country. This is a fucking travesty and a miscarriage of justice. It's doing nothing to deal with this specific scenario nor the larger problem that too many idiots have too much access to deadly weapons. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Carl@anarchist.nexus 4 points 51 minutes ago* (last edited 44 minutes ago) Worth noting that indictments are laughably easy to get, because there is no defense lawyer. An indictment isn’t a conviction, it’s just the prosecution going “yeah we probably have enough evidence to bother with a trial.” The old joke is that a grand jury will indict a ham sandwich for murder if the prosecutor wants them to. The prosecutor has full control over what evidence the grand jury sees, and the rules around evidence are a LOT more relaxed than they are in court. The prosecutor could basically scribble out a “yeah I did it lol” note on a napkin and present it to the grand jury as evidence. It wouldn’t stand up in court, but it doesn’t need to if the prosecutor just wants the indictment. The grand jury is just an arm of the prosecutor, and is used as a political tool whenever a trial would be politically inconvenient. Because the district attorney is typically elected, which means they need to pander for votes. So if it would be politically inconvenient to prosecute someone, they can simply refuse to bring any evidence to the grand jury. Because (again) they have full control over what evidence the grand jury sees. For example, let’s say a cop murders someone in the street. It’s on video. The public is out for blood. But the prosecutor has to work with the police to do their job, and the police union is threatening to stop collecting any evidence at crime scenes if they prosecute this cop. Prosecutor is between a rock and a hard place, because they’d be torching future trials just to appease the public. So instead, they simply don’t bring any evidence to the grand jury. The grand jury is a faceless shadowy organization that can’t defend itself. It’s the perfect scapegoat. So when the grand jury refuses to indict (because they weren’t presented with any evidence) the district attorney can jump in front of the news cameras and go “I tried to prosecute them, but that big mean grand jury refused to indict. But remember, I did my best! Vote for me!” Cops are happy because the prosecutor didn’t indict, the public is placated because the prosecutor “tried” to indict them, and the cogs of the legal system keep grinding away as intended. So with all of that being said… If he wasn’t indicted, it’s because the prosecutor didn’t want to bring it to trial. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] KC_Royalz@lemmy.world -20 points 2 hours ago (4 children) Ya when people say Dems have a chance of winning Texas. Call that person a moron and go on with your day permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] felixthecat@fedia.io 2 points 19 minutes ago If we had 100% voting population Republicans would never win again anywhere, especially in texas. That is why Republicans are so eager to disenfranchise voters. They're trying to take away voting rights of women by making voters who change their name ineligible. They love the apathetic idiots who never vote. Right now trump seems to have killed mail in voting for this year. Unless something changes the new usps system is sure to disenfranchise millions. permalink fedilink source parent [–] starik@lemmy.today 2 points 34 minutes ago* It’s a perfect storm for Dems this year in Texas. They have a good candidate for that state - a likable, charismatic young man who talks about his Christian faith a lot. The Republicans are fielding a particularly bad candidate - a corrupt attorney general who was nearly impeached by his own party for fraud, whose wife recently divorced him for cheating, and who narrowly won a closely contested primary. Beto came within 2.5 points of Cruz in 2018, and Cruz was/is popular in Texas, and Republicans in general weren’t as reviled back then. It’s still no better than a coin flip, but Talarico could win this year. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 26 points 2 hours ago (1 child) Like nearly all the US, the cities are heavily blue and the rural parts are heavily red. The only difference between blue states and red states is which side of the halfway line it’s tipped towards. And nearly every state is close to the halfway mark—including Texas. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Lili_Thana@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 hours ago (2 children) Texas has more dem voters than some states have people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] baronvonj@piefed.social 4 points 1 hour ago We have loads of left-leaning people who are eligible to vote. If more of them would actually vote, we'd get somewhere. Fortunately, the primary turnout numbers this year look good. More Democratic voters than Republican in the Senate race, and pretty close to even for the Governor. Compare to 2024 when over 2/3 of primary ballots cast were Republican. Polling looks better than 2018 with Beto v Cruz. permalink fedilink source parent [–] KC_Royalz@lemmy.world -2 points 1 hour ago (2 children) And yet not once have they even been close to winning permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 2 points 47 minutes ago Beto came pretty close against Cruz. But that was basically it in the last 30 or so years. Every other time has been a route basically. The Texas Democratic party is beyond incompetent. permalink fedilink source parent [–] the_mighty_kracken@lemmy.world 1 point 1 hour ago You aren't even close to being right about that permalink fedilink source parent [+] yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 hour ago* [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] felixthecat@fedia.io 2 points 19 minutes ago If we had 100% voting population Republicans would never win again anywhere, especially in texas. That is why Republicans are so eager to disenfranchise voters. They're trying to take away voting rights of women by making voters who change their name ineligible. They love the apathetic idiots who never vote. Right now trump seems to have killed mail in voting for this year. Unless something changes the new usps system is sure to disenfranchise millions. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] starik@lemmy.today 2 points 34 minutes ago* It’s a perfect storm for Dems this year in Texas. They have a good candidate for that state - a likable, charismatic young man who talks about his Christian faith a lot. The Republicans are fielding a particularly bad candidate - a corrupt attorney general who was nearly impeached by his own party for fraud, whose wife recently divorced him for cheating, and who narrowly won a closely contested primary. Beto came within 2.5 points of Cruz in 2018, and Cruz was/is popular in Texas, and Republicans in general weren’t as reviled back then. It’s still no better than a coin flip, but Talarico could win this year. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 26 points 2 hours ago (1 child) Like nearly all the US, the cities are heavily blue and the rural parts are heavily red. The only difference between blue states and red states is which side of the halfway line it’s tipped towards. And nearly every state is close to the halfway mark—including Texas. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Lili_Thana@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 hours ago (2 children) Texas has more dem voters than some states have people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] baronvonj@piefed.social 4 points 1 hour ago We have loads of left-leaning people who are eligible to vote. If more of them would actually vote, we'd get somewhere. Fortunately, the primary turnout numbers this year look good. More Democratic voters than Republican in the Senate race, and pretty close to even for the Governor. Compare to 2024 when over 2/3 of primary ballots cast were Republican. Polling looks better than 2018 with Beto v Cruz. permalink fedilink source parent [–] KC_Royalz@lemmy.world -2 points 1 hour ago (2 children) And yet not once have they even been close to winning permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 2 points 47 minutes ago Beto came pretty close against Cruz. But that was basically it in the last 30 or so years. Every other time has been a route basically. The Texas Democratic party is beyond incompetent. permalink fedilink source parent [–] the_mighty_kracken@lemmy.world 1 point 1 hour ago You aren't even close to being right about that permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lili_Thana@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 hours ago (2 children) Texas has more dem voters than some states have people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] baronvonj@piefed.social 4 points 1 hour ago We have loads of left-leaning people who are eligible to vote. If more of them would actually vote, we'd get somewhere. Fortunately, the primary turnout numbers this year look good. More Democratic voters than Republican in the Senate race, and pretty close to even for the Governor. Compare to 2024 when over 2/3 of primary ballots cast were Republican. Polling looks better than 2018 with Beto v Cruz. permalink fedilink source parent [–] KC_Royalz@lemmy.world -2 points 1 hour ago (2 children) And yet not once have they even been close to winning permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 2 points 47 minutes ago Beto came pretty close against Cruz. But that was basically it in the last 30 or so years. Every other time has been a route basically. The Texas Democratic party is beyond incompetent. permalink fedilink source parent [–] the_mighty_kracken@lemmy.world 1 point 1 hour ago You aren't even close to being right about that permalink fedilink source parent
[–] baronvonj@piefed.social 4 points 1 hour ago We have loads of left-leaning people who are eligible to vote. If more of them would actually vote, we'd get somewhere. Fortunately, the primary turnout numbers this year look good. More Democratic voters than Republican in the Senate race, and pretty close to even for the Governor. Compare to 2024 when over 2/3 of primary ballots cast were Republican. Polling looks better than 2018 with Beto v Cruz. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KC_Royalz@lemmy.world -2 points 1 hour ago (2 children) And yet not once have they even been close to winning permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 2 points 47 minutes ago Beto came pretty close against Cruz. But that was basically it in the last 30 or so years. Every other time has been a route basically. The Texas Democratic party is beyond incompetent. permalink fedilink source parent [–] the_mighty_kracken@lemmy.world 1 point 1 hour ago You aren't even close to being right about that permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 2 points 47 minutes ago Beto came pretty close against Cruz. But that was basically it in the last 30 or so years. Every other time has been a route basically. The Texas Democratic party is beyond incompetent. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] the_mighty_kracken@lemmy.world 1 point 1 hour ago You aren't even close to being right about that permalink fedilink source parent