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[–] 164 points 4 hours ago (1 child)

"As I lifted the gun to show her I suddenly heard a loud bang," Kris allegedly said. "I did not understand what had happened. Lucy immediately fell."

Bullshit. This means he took a loaded gun, failed to clear it, put the barrel in the direction of a person, and pulled the trigger. Guns don't just "go off". All while having admitted to relapsing on alcohol. I count four mistakes there, where any one of them not having been made would have prevented this incident.

It's almost like you'd have to intend to make that series of mistakes.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 hours ago* (3 children)

    So, fun fact: Alexander Hamilton may have killed himself.

    He supplied the dueling pistols for the duel with Burr, and a few things about them.

    • He had them custom made with a larger, more deadly bore.

    • He had modified the trigger to require a much lighter pull than most pistols would have required.

    • The musical (of incredibly dubious historical value) even makes note of this, he was seen fiddling with the trigger prior to the duel, and selected his pistol first.

    Accounts on Hamilton firing in to the air differ, but what is consistent are accounts of Burr seeming pretty shocked when his gun went off. Accounts also pretty universally indicate that he tried to rush to Hamilton after he'd been shot to lend aid before being escorted away.

    Anyway, that's not at all meant to refute your claim. Guns generally don't just "go off".

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  • [–] 9 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

    Yeah the only guns I know of that can just "go off" either have a hair trigger that's worn or are of exceptionally shit build quality like say the Ross Rifle.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 hours ago (1 child)

    If you take the worst gun, modify it to have the lightest trigger possible, if you don't have it just sitting around with a round in the chamber it won't just "go off". It's wild that the simplest safety precaution save a lot of lives but nope these people need their dick extensions to always be ready to go.

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  • Oh I was just making note that there are ways for a gun to to fire by itself for one reason or another when loaded. Regardless making sure the gun is cleared is a pretty damned good way of ensuring it doesn't do that. Or alternatively leave a Ross Rifle behind for the Germans when you leave a trench so it's their problem.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 hours ago (1 child)

    Guns generally don’t just “go off”.

    They can and do. There's chapter and verse on gun safety - handling, cleaning, storage - to deal with the risk of accidental discharge.

    If you treat a gun like a toy (and this guy's testimony certainly sounds like he did), it's very possible to fire it by accident.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

    Right, they have to be mishandled, uncleaned, and not properly stored, so like they said, guns generally don't just "go off".

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  • [–] 1 point 1 hour ago (1 child)

    they have to be mishandled, uncleaned, and not properly stored

    I don't see any evidence to suggest the guy was maintaining any of his kit properly.

    guns generally don’t just “go off”

    They can and do when mishandled, which is why gun safety exists to begin with.

    "Don't point a gun at anything you don't intend to shoot" is Rule 1 for a reason. And if he was playing with the gun like a toy, it's very easy to believe he fumbled it. The stories of children setting off guns by playing with them are more numerous than you can count.

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  • [–] 1 point 27 minutes ago

    Not sure what the downvoters are thinking. I was reading through this whole argument about whether or not guns can just "go off" and kept thinking a) obviously there are cases where people fire a gun they are handling unintentionally, whether because they are idiots or the gun malfunctioned. But b) it doesn't make a difference in whether he was negligent because he already was when he pointed it at her in the first place. That's all that should have been needed to get a negligent manslaughter charge to stick, accidental discharge or not, it hit her because he was pointing the gun at her.

    Though I don't buy it was accidental at all, given the circumstances. Heated argument about Trump just before she's supposed to leave but first he needs to show her his gun that just happens to accidentally fire while he was pointing it at her?

    Jury nullification goes both ways and that grand jury just condoned the murder of someone who opposed Trump.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 hour ago

    Some guns are just built like shit.

    Laws have been passed to shield gun manufacturers from liability for faulty products.

    Still, this case sounded like premeditated murder more than anything else. And that Texas grand jury, and prosecutor, were fine with it because the daughter hated Trump.

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