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[–] 281 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

Nobody cares what your camera costs, Nat. You can still take shitty pictures with a $5000 camera. Charge what you think your service is worth and work for clients who pay it.

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  • [–] 52 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Exactly.

    There is real skill involved in photography, and it takes real time even after being skilled. A 1-hour shoot in a new location still requires probably an hour of planning, maybe an hour or two of logistics, and maybe 2-3 hours of work after the fact to get the photos processed and distributed. And it's basically the opportunity cost that will eat up the entire day, because you can't double book the same sunset or other lighting conditions or whatever. There's seasonality, too, if you want specific seasonal conditions in the shot, if you want to book the Saturday that other clients want, etc.

    That's before expenses like insurance, the amortized cost of the software and hardware (including the cameras and lenses and computer), web services for distribution of the files, etc.

    It's fair to charge a full day's fair pay for a job like that, and that might mean wanting to charge something like $1000 for an experienced photographer, maybe $500 of which actually represents "profit" for the sole proprietor. But that only happens at that price if there are clients willing to pay that price.

    For bigger jobs like parties or weddings, it gets a bit more involved, which is why a 2- or 3-shooter wedding job can cost several thousand, or even above $10k.

    But for easy jobs like anything in a high volume studio where the lighting is already known, and there aren't any logistics involved, it should be much cheaper. It just all depends.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    I've met too many people who think the number they associate to a thing somehow makes them a better user of it.

    Tons of people take amazing photos with tons of thought and skill involved in composition and everything, with a phone camera or shitty digital from 2010.

    People who use the price of the equipment to justify expense instead of the quality of their work are usually bad at whatever it is they're charging for.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    You can shift the quality a lot with great equipment, but that requires you to know what you're doing first. And it still depends on what you're trying to shoot. Somebody trying to capture a great moment in high speed sports might need a better camera than a cat dad. But without knowing how to use it, it is worth nothing.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

    At $100 per shoot she can pay off her camera in one year doing one shoot a week. That's if it's a hobby.

    But since it's not a hobby for her, as she points out, that means she can do 3-5 shoots per week. If she charges $300 per shoot, and averages let's say 4 shoots per week, that's over $60k per year. A small salary, but people get by for less.

    If she wants to make more, that's fine. But she has to convince people that she's worth a higher price by doing quality work and demonstrating consistency, professionalism, building a network of returning clients and recommendations if she wants to be fully booked each week. Not by telling them how expensive her equipment is...

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  • [–] 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Just playing devils advocate here, there should be more involved than simply taking pictures. There will be editing, and putting together an album that makes sense to the customer as well; therefore she could charge more for her time and upcharge for album features such as hard copy decorative stuff.

    Then again, there is that saying "starving artist" and all...

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    [–] 94 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    Advertising yourself as:

    1. Bad at internal budgeting

    2. Full of yourself

    ... is a bold marketing strategy during an economic depression, for a freelance/contract worker.

    Best of luck Nat.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    This is really taking a pretty harmless comment too seriously. The point is shit is expensive and clients want everything cheap. Any freelancer can relate to this particular framing. I used to have people want $300 websites and they didn't care that it would take potentially a week to build their site. Surely just abstractly we can all relate to shit being expensive though?

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  • [–] 14 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    I mean she's got a point. I used to do web design and the number of people who reckoned that it should cost the equivalent of $40 was ridiculous. I'd required at least 10 times that just as compensation from having to work with shopify.

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    [–] 53 points 2 weeks ago*

    If my photographer can get me the picture I need with the $300 camera, I’m hiring them first. Not everyone needs their pictures on a billboard or TV ad.

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  • [–] 50 points 2 weeks ago (14 children)

    I shoot with a refurbished $600 Canon EOS Rebel T7. I use two lenses for the majority of my work: an 18-55mm, and a 75-300mm.

    Fite me irl, Nat, my shit’s gorgeous and I know it.

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    [–] 41 points 2 weeks ago (15 children)

    tbf I doubt many Uber drivers actually profit, especially the ones driving $40k cars

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    [–] 37 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    She wants her investment repaid in 2 or 3 gigs?

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  • [–] 24 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    Taxes, assistant fee, mileage, you own more than one lens and one cam body…no lol not even close. We haven’t even talked about post processing, delivery, rights, etc.

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  • [–] 33 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    My education cost 200,000. You think I made all that back in one paycheck? Cry me a river, Natalie.

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    [–] 32 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child)

    Photography is harder than most people think. You need to get to the places where you are doing your job, there is tons of communication involved, then there is editing and proper archival stuff you need to do, accounting is also completely different from that of an uber driver's, and it's not just the camera that costs more than 5K (looking at you BRIESE and any basic lens set – telephoto, normal, wide angle, zoom, low light will quickly exceed the 15K mark if you care about professional standards). It's really a whole thing.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    And then there's lights. A decent portrait setup will run you thousands easily, and if you want to do anything even slightly abnormal (colored lights, say) it can be astronomically high. Art is expensive.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    It's absolutely not. You can take perfectly fine, artsy photographs with a bunch of cheap gels and Chinese import lights.

    You'll be shocked to learn that people took fantastic pictures before an $8.6k M.ZUIKO lens came into existence.

    Go ahead and tell me what a setup the likes of what Evans or Miller had at the time would cost today and stop putting art behind a paywall. Stock photography and repeatable product pictures are expensive, but that's not art.

    Professional photographers have expensive equipment because it makes certain shots commercially feasible, not because it's impossible to create art without money.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Only 5k? Sound like a hobby, because most professional photographers have a body that is already 5k by itself, plus several lenses ranging between 2 and 20k. I mean, I'm a hobby photographer and my gear already exceeds at least 8k. So stop bitching Karen.

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    [–] 29 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

    the prices they charge and the inability to give me the damn RAWs is why I just got a camera instead.

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    [–] 24 points 2 weeks ago

    Yeah and that Uber driver can't afford rent. Photographers often have less business in the winter, too, and they have a ton of extra equipment to lug around. I know a wedding photographer and it's a lot of work day of and post work to make sure it's all nice.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Okay real talk here, how tf is this Xavier guy basically everywhere? Did he go to meme school?

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    [–] 23 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    When I used to film pornography I got sloppy seconds.

    It was the definition of win/win.

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    [–] 21 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    I don't really understand photography. Like it seems too broad of an art form. Like the guy who takes pictures of food is different from action photography is different from a wedding photographer. I feel like I don't have the context to know she's full of shit, but it kinda feels like it.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 weeks ago* (2 children)

    Good photographers are actually pretty rare and - in my experience - treat the field of capturing visual information as a science, but since the advent of consumer DSLR and mirrorless systems, modern-day digital cameras with nearly instant automatically-focusing lenses that utilize a grid array and intelligence models to smartly maintain clarity on what is most likely a subject as it moves in 3D space, have made it so much harder to fuck things up that it essentially has opened the floodgates of photography so that there's an endless sea of morons thinking that buying a $5000 Canon with a full-frame sensor and a lens the size of a Stanley thermos makes them Ansel Adams.

    It's the same with any field where the bar to entry gets suddenly lowered. The market becomes immediately flooded with new "experts" because the tools evolve to the point that they become nearly idiot-proof. Think Claude vibe coders calling themselves programmers / software engineers, Gemini prompters calling themselves visual designers, and people on SoundCloud uploading jingles they farted out on SUNO calling themselves musicians.

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    [–] 21 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    Pppffffssshhhh.... 5k?!?that is hobby level money. I'm over 15k into just my lenses and I do this as a hobby and shoot friends and family for free.

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    [–] 19 points 2 weeks ago

    My house cost 300 grand and you want me to look after your kids for 60 quid a day?

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  • [–] 15 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

    the camera doesnt matter. are your skills any good?

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    [–] 14 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Using the price of the equipment as a reason was not a great decision 😅 Sure, the deprecation of your equipment is part of what the customers pay for, but any sane person would value their time much higher than that (unless the equipment is something ridiculous like an oil tanker).

    And living with a photographer has taught me that it takes a lot of time! Just picking out which of the 800+ images from an event you want to show to the client for final choice is quite a job. And that’s before you even start to look at editing, which is always needed.

    And then there is expertise. My SO knows what to do and how to do it because of her experience. You pay for that as well, and it should be worth quite a bit if you care about the quality of what you’re purchasing.

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    [–] 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child)

    Really depends though.

    I do photography/videography as a salaried employee with my personal $5k camera and singular 50mm lens, so my paycheck is technically what I'm paid.

    I made my work buy 4 other specialty lenses and continuously growing inventory of accessories. So probably push that number up around $10k+. My services at my job equals like $50ish an hour. With my $10k+ worth of equipment. But I get health benefits... yay...

    When I do side jobs, I don't charge much. Corporate headshots for example are about $100 per person or $300 for a certain amount of time for everyone on the same day. So depends how much of a pain in the ass they'll be.

    I also have worked with scheduling external photographers by the hour, photo journalists, not your wedding/graduation people which she looks like based on her images style. Costs are regional and based on demand/completion in that area. So someone can cost $1,000 for 2-hours on-site in Boston and someone can cost $400 for 2-hours in middle nowhere Kansas.

    So what I'm saying is equipment costs a lot obviously. Yes it's fair to charge more than $300 a session, but you better be damn good to ask $1,000 for 2-hours of your time.

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    [–] 12 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Hire whoever took the picture of her.

    They’re obviously better.

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    [–] 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    You may have bought an expensive camera, and spent a good amount of time honing your skills, that doesn't mean I'm paying you $6000 for 3 days of work.

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    [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    If this photographer can reduce her time spent to the same level as a 10 minute Uber journey, then yes - she should not be charging more than $12

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    [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    A 10 min ride home is not the same as a 3 hour wedding and 12 hours processing images and video.

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