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[-] quick_snail@feddit.nl 22 points 4 days ago

The thefts are part of a broader national trend.

Fuck this news source.

This wasn't theft. This was nonviolent civil disobedience. It was activism and solidarity. It was a gift of liberation from oppression to the community.

[-] ignirtoq@feddit.online 41 points 5 days ago

Flock Safety cameras are automated license plate readers that capture images of plates along with a vehicle’s make, model and color. Police use the technology to investigate crimes such as hit-and-runs and to locate missing persons. Camera data is owned by the police department and permanently deleted after 30 days.

That's straight up misinformation, right? They capture way more than just license plates and vehicle details, police do way more than "investigate crimes" with them, and the data is absolutely not owned by the police department and deleted after 30 days.

[-] quick_snail@feddit.nl 7 points 4 days ago

Yeah, OP should have found a better news source than this bootlicking misinformation site, before posting.

[-] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 10 points 5 days ago

It's technically correct, as far as I've read (not an expert!). Just because the police own a limited subset of the data and their copy is deleted after 30 days doesn't prevent flock from stockpiling all the data permanently. It also doesn't stop Flock from having a separate contract, entirely unrelated of course, giving the police access to FlockOS. That platform has all sorts of data from all available sources.

[-] Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

Do we also forget about forensic technologies that can recover what is removed? So it's 100% bullshit that the data is removed.

[-] sam_the_tech@lemmy.world 44 points 5 days ago

Without reading the article, I can only assume they used a battery powered circular saw. Heck, they probably even covered their faces and hands while leaving their phones at home!

[-] pentastarm@piefed.ca 18 points 5 days ago

They should also know that most (all?) Flock cameras have batteries, so a way to neutralize them should also be brought with you. Hypothetically speaking.

[-] Natanael@infosec.pub 2 points 4 days ago

They are protected against rain, but not against immersion

[-] PoopingCough@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Best power tool is definitely a cordless portable bandsaw. Or so I hear.

[-] Grass@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago

would that outperform a reciprocating saw?

[-] ReignOfTerror@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

By many magnitudes, yes. And also the bandsaw is significantly quieter.

[-] Grass@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I have been wanting a bandsaw. For my home workshop which is kind of just a second kitchen because this house is weird. I definitely don't need it outside or anything

[-] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

A circular saw might work, but I would prefer a battery powered angle grinder. Also useful for dealing with parking boots!

[-] Triasha@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

According to a recent video I watched, circular saw was way better than an angle grinder or a Sawzall.

[-] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

don't forget to bring a wireless jammer as well if you're going to take the cameras afterwards.

edit: because of the confusion I'll spell it out. the jammer isn't for your phone, it's for the cameras. they operate off the wireless cell towers and undoubtedly have GPS.

if you're going to take the cameras afterwards you need to at least disrupt their ability to phone home long enough for you to permanently disable them.

also, don't think by removing the solar panel you'll have done that. all the panel does is charge the battery.

[-] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

Pro tip: don't use a wireless jammer. Those are illegal and will produce signals that can themselves be tracked. Don't commit crimes while committing crimes. Instead place the camera in a metal tool box or a Faraday bag.

A practical method:

  1. Obtain a metal toolbox and a big plastic tote.
  2. Carry camera in metal toolbox. (Metal box will block wireless signals.)
  3. Carry toolbox home, do not open it.
  4. Place toolbox inside plastic tote. Fill tote with water to short out the Flock's electronics.

If you intend to recycle the Flock's components, that will require building a Faraday cage big enough for you to walk inside.

[-] whats_a_lemmy@midwest.social 5 points 4 days ago

Yeah, get the FCC involved too

[-] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

I detect some sarcasm.

go ahead, try taking one of these cameras back home with you without disabling the camera first.

at least we'll see if I'm right or not within a few hours.

[-] whats_a_lemmy@midwest.social 1 points 4 days ago

No no, you have a point. The other reply says it better than I did

[-] quick_snail@feddit.nl 1 points 4 days ago

Bad idea. Just don't bring your cell phone, and make sure you remove the battery

[-] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

you realize that if you take the cameras they will continue to record and stream because of the built in battery and solar panel....right?

I'm sure they also have GPS in them as well.

the jammer isn't for your phone, it's literally for the cameras to not snitch on you and phone home.

[-] quick_snail@feddit.nl 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

It's also you giving a huge signal to your location.

You really don't want to have a jammer signal on you alerting everyone what you're up to if you're trying to be stealth.

[-] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

who's going to be tracking you? you think the FCC runs around with vans to make sure nobody is breaking regulations?

the only way anyone finds out you have a jammer is if you inconvenience the right person long enough to cause them to investigate and report to the FCC.

if you're driving through a city, your exposure is about 5-30 seconds per person synchronously.

not to mention most low power jamming hardware has an effective radius of around 15-25 feet.

still don't believe it? when was the last time you had a random wireless device drop connection and thought, "I bet someone has a jammer!"?

[-] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

You seem to know a lot about the process...

[-] Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

If you can research what a tool can cut into and then figure out the material of the metal poles they put the cameras on; it's all a rabbit hole of learning.

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago

It's actually not illegal to spend a day carrying around a battery or gas powered saw and standing near flock cameras.

If you already have a criminal record or on probation, and don't want to risk another conviction, just hang out next to a flock camera doing bicep curls with the saw as your weight.

Cops will come for sure, but all they can do is ID you and maybe get you to move along (to the next camera of course)

Waste as many police and city resources as you can while they protect flock private property until the city can't justify the cost. Spread police resources thinner so that other saw enjoyers can do good work. Plus you get ripped as a side effect.

[-] quick_snail@feddit.nl 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Cops can definitely falsely arrest you and make your life hell. And then you need to pay legal fees and waste years of your life fighting it in court

Have you never been falsely arrested before?

You're not wasting their resources, you're giving them better arrest statistics to argue for increased funding, including militarization.

Better to just use a drone to take out all the cameras in one night, remotely

[-] howrar@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 days ago

What can one do with a consumer drone to accomplish this?

[-] quick_snail@feddit.nl 1 points 4 days ago

Paint the cameras with black spray paint

[-] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 days ago

just make sure that you're white and have it all recorded on several devices with several witnesses

[-] figjam@midwest.social 1 points 4 days ago

I mean, there's a flock camera RIGHT there. Would be a shame to not have them take my video

[-] bountygiver@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago

they sure as hell will happen to malfunction when you need any evidence from them

[-] KiloGex@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

Not all heroes wear capes. Some carry saws.

[-] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 13 points 5 days ago

woohoo!

its great and all but we all know this is a finger in a dam. theres virtually no way of stopping idiots from trading their liberty for a little perceived safety.

[-] Triumph@fedia.io 28 points 5 days ago

All efforts great and small.

[-] Atelopus-zeteki@fedia.io 12 points 5 days ago

I'm just wondering... did Winona PD lose them, or did Winona PD take the money, but forgot to install them?

[-] muffedtrims@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago

Winona is a college town in southeast Minnesota, right in the border with Wisconsin. Going venture a guess it was students that took them down.

[-] quick_snail@feddit.nl 3 points 4 days ago

The kids are alright

[-] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

Honestly, you know what would be hilarious? Imagine if this wasn't done by an anti-surveillance activists at all. Imagine if it were just done on a lark by a bunch of drunken frat bros who had never even heard of Flock's privacy implications.

[-] Headofthebored@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

Finally some good fucking news.

[-] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago
[-] quick_snail@feddit.nl 2 points 4 days ago

Anyone know if this loss is covered by insurance?

[-] xnavy@lemmy.zip 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

This tech doesn't really have "insurance" but from the contracts I have seen, if you pay extra for the protection plan, replacement is free. Not sure how much the plan costs, but replacement of the pole, camera, and panels can cost the PD as much as $3000 per incident without the plan.

[-] justastranger@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago

Who needs insurance when you've already got the local government by the balls with a contract forcing them to replace damaged cameras using tax dollars

[-] cdf12345@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 days ago
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