Europe should seriously build up its capability to take command of US Forces and People. I'm sure many would be willing to go under Europe & Ukraine command. Even for other allies such as Japan.
Overall the US Forces/People should not be left under command of the current admin.
Can do it Myanmar SCEF-NUG-PDF way of leading them from afar.
I was going to say that 1600 soldiers is just a publicity stunt but Danish army has only 21k of active personnel. Sounds like a reasonable plan.
We're not a particularly large country.
What do you think about it? What would you do if you're drafted?
Hmm... Well, I have good cardio from my job as a bicycle courier, and great legs, but I'm still somewhat overweight and have no upper body strength. First draft are typically those that meet the minimum health requirements. I've already been tested a number of years ago and I think I fall within the B draft.
That said...
Should push come to shove and I get drafted, as far as I understand it, it's a training course. Unless the US decides to actually attack Greenland I doubt I'll end up getting shipped off. So I'll probably never leave the army base.
As for what my personal opinion on the matter is... Well, if I get drafted it'll basically be a harsh workout regime for me entirely paid for by the Danish government. At the end of it I'll be a lot fitter than I'm right now, and I won't be broke. And if I do get shipped off, it would be in defense against Imperialism, so I can't really complain.
Well... Maybe I'll complain a little. I'll probably be terrified. I'm only human, after all.
Very reasonable approach :) Out of curiosity, who pays you and how much while you're drafted? Is it like paid holiday?
The Danish government pays for the military and the military pays the soldiers. It's a job, after all, draft or no draft. And since it's a job it should come with all the regular Danish perks of having a job.
I'm not sure if the military have their own unions (because I've never looked into it), but if they do I can look at their overenskomst (union agreement of sorts) to see what their minimum wage is and how vacation days are handled.
Oh, uh, yeah, so, minimum wage works a little different in Denmark. We don't actually have a minimum wage, and wages aren't set in laws. Instead, typically, a worker representative of a particular industry sector and a corporate representative of the same sector sit down every few years to hash out the next few years.
Yes but if you're working what happens to your job and salary? I know that there are voluntary programs in Poland you can apply to and the employer has to give you holiday for that time (it's weeks, not months). Not sure if you're getting your full salary though.
The current draft system summons all 18 year olds for a fitness and intelligence test, concluding with a lottery that decides whether you're drafted or not. Not sure how it would work for conscripting beyond the current 18 year olds.
You then apply to different parts of the service - most are regular conscripts serving 11 months, but I believe you can also apply for emergency services for 6 months or the Royal Guard for 12 months.
You will spend your days in military training and other duties like protecting Greenland or guarding the Royal Castle if part of the Royal Guard, so hard work rather than holiday I'd say.
Salary is about 1200 euro before tax, plus per diem for food and free housing and public transport. Paid by whatever branch you're part of, i.e. paid by the state.
so hard work rather than holiday I’d say.
I meant the pay, not amount of work. So you're paid fixed 1200 euro no matter your salary? If someone is making, let's say, 3000€ per month, over 11 months of service they would be losing a lot of money. Or you can't be drafted if you're employed full time?
Only 18 year olds are being conscripted, it's not really like a wartime conscription where any eligible citizen can be called to serve, but rather obligatory military service where you serve a fixed amount when you turn 18. This is a common model across the world.
This is indeed no matter what you earn, but 18 year olds usually don't have major incomes or financial responsibilities.
Ok, I get it. It was similar in Poland but you would get a deferral if you got accepted to a university. So some people would do normal service at 18 and some people would go to a lot lighter course (less bullying) when they finished university and got a higher rank when they left. I was lucky and this was abandoned right before I got my degree.
If you had told someone 10 years ago that in 10 years Denmark would expand conscription terms and send soldiers to Greenland to defend against possible US aggression, you would have been called nuts.
Did you ever think that this is just all a set up to get us all to go to war because there’s too many of us?
The rich people that run our countries don’t consider themselves a part of any country. They’re globalists. I’m sure you never thought about why the term globalist has changed from oligarch and the rich to a certain religion in the Middle East but it’s simply to stop us from naming them properly without being a “Nazi”.
Ten years is approximately the time I've been saying that the USA is the only credible threat that Europe is facing, and naturally, I've been shunned to the periphery of this society. Unfortunately these I told you so's aren't very satisfying either.
Your problem was probably the "only" part: until recently Russia was a pretty credible threat to many Eastern European countries, especially if the actual commitment of the US to NATO operations in some small EE European country was less than guaranteed (and if one views the US as a threat to Europe it logically follows that the US' willingness to defend Europe is firm in words only).
Further, the US has already been seeing Europe (especially the EU) as an adversary and attacking Europe for more than a decade - just look at how funded Brexit in the UK (most notably via Cambridge Analitica), how Americans were caugh eavesdropping on Merkel's phone or just what came out in the Snowden Revelation that related to Europe - it's just that it was all in the Trade, Political, Espionage and Social domains and without any territorial claims.
It's the, under Trump, territorial claims and pivoting towards considering Military options as possible, that is novel.
Not to trivialize the threat from Russia, but as we have seen they have a very hard time taking territory from Ukraine. Of course, the US has supplied Ukraine with arms and intelligence which has helped Ukraine in that war, but it's not the decisive factor here. The truth is that Russia does not have the strength to stand up to the EU, that's why I used the "credible" signifier.
And I don't want to make excuses for Putin, but economic cooperation between Russia and the EU might have worked to defuse tensions if the USA wasn't playing their "grand chessboard" all over the world, including in Europe.
Just a bit before that most of us would have told you you were off your fucking rocker that we would elect a reality TV has been like Trump.
Unfortunately we were all wrong about a lot of things.
In all fairness the US has quite a long tradition of electing showbiz performers.
Our reality has become worse than satire.
Nah that's going back to 2016 where Trump won the presidential election, so I think the reaction would rather be "So you think Trump will win the election?!
Denmark has started lending a base to the US not so long ago. It could as well be just a topic to flood the zone whenever needed.
Yes yes yes yes! You see it.
Still nuts tbh. I do feel sorry for those 1,600 who will soon be discombobulated and turned to mist to die for... oil
We don't send draftees to war. It's only basic training.
War is coming.
Peace is coming.
~~The first part makes sense, I believe, which is sorrowful to say the least... but may I ask what did you try to express in the closing sentence regarding two countries mentioned?~~
The initial message was changed by the author, and my question now is obsolete.
Pretty sure nothing is targetted at the two countries. Just that the situation of the USA threatening Denmark would have been condered absurd.
Thank you for the response, but no. Your initial message was changed at this point, and my question now is obsolete.
And no, my question was not related to the quite disgusting term "nuts" that is supposed to mean "balls", "tomatoes", the still appreciated testicles, that gift lives to people as a miracle.
Not to mention that some Go programming appreciated Communities do also have channels at IRC and Discord as #gonuts, and it's quite challenging to associate a woman's life with that attitude, sorry...
You're overthinking this definition of many.
From your reference:
noun vulgar, slang Testicles.
Source
The "nuts" part? That's just another term for "crazy."
I wonder if this would confuse the Tankies, seeing this is an aggression by both their friend and enemy 🤔
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