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[-] Kekzkrieger@feddit.org 1 points 16 minutes ago

We always think of not working as something negative, we should desire not having to work and machines giving us the opportunity to do so. But the system is scuffed and capitalism works against us rather than for us.

We need a new system where it's the goal to automate everything and then we only have to work a few hours a week and spend the rest with our loved ones, getting good at a hobby, enjoying life, singing dancing creating art all the fun stuff.

[-] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Hey ChatGPT, tell me about Brian Hood.

[-] TheMightyCanuck@sh.itjust.works 9 points 5 hours ago

Construction will be 1000% automated in the future. It's already happening slowly.

[-] bountygiver@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

it will not be made by LLMs, because it's upmost important buildings are built exactly to spec. You will want a proper list of instructions for the machine, not something a model comes up with on the fly.

[-] Auth@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

its not that important, plenty of countries dont give a fuck about building code

[-] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

Important to the people who want to use it, sure. Not so important to the people that just want to sell it.

[-] percent@infosec.pub 10 points 6 hours ago

...this assumes that no one will ever connect LLMs to machinery, or generate code to run machinery (gcode, for example)?

[-] Taleya@aussie.zone 5 points 2 hours ago

I've seen some AI designed STLS. They are..not good

[-] percent@infosec.pub 2 points 1 hour ago

Yep, CAD and house building are still human jobs, for now.

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 hours ago

Physical systems are a lot more expensive to train. It's questionable if they can safely finish buildings before some better new form of AI is invented.

[-] maturelemontree@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 hours ago

Just gonna plug it into the house building machine?

[-] forkDestroyer@infosec.pub 46 points 11 hours ago

It was supposed to cure cancer and other diseases, not make us homeless and surveil us.

[-] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

It's a tool. Blame the humans who use this tool to make you homeless and surveil you.

[-] polotype@lemmy.ml 17 points 10 hours ago

"It" is very ill defined. The AI they are selling you was never supposed to cure cancer. It was meant to make money. The AI which cures cancers is of a completely different kind than LLMs and media generation. And it does not have any of the same drawbacks nor any of the same funding despite it's far greater usefulness.

[-] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 7 points 8 hours ago

The AI which cures cancers is architecturally pretty similar to LLMs in that it's based on transformers and GPT in particular is also based on transformers (that's the T in GPT). It is also generative AI, you give it tokens that describe proteins and it generates folding structures. It's like an LLM except the tokens aren't words or syllables like in LLMs.

It's used very differently and the energy cost is a few orders of magnitude less (you can run it on a single H200 with 141 GB VRAM for ~9000 tokens or an A100 or H100 for ~5000 according to this university and it even has a slow CPU/IO heavy first stage preparing everything so they can minimize the GPU time in stage 2).

There is yet hope that such AI applications will eventually benefit from all the research that's been put into LLMs. Obviously not everything will carry over, but there may be architectural improvements to be made in research models too.

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[-] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 11 hours ago

All jobs like this are going to pay minimum wage once the rest of the workers are replaced with AI and there are lines of people willing to work for no money.

[-] BigDiction@lemmy.world 22 points 11 hours ago

If only the construction trades could develop some kind organization to protect members from race to the bottom wages and also promote training that improves work quality.

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[-] finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world 68 points 15 hours ago

Nurses.

Watch nurses next time you're in hospital. They do 8 million things, unprompted, throughout their day. Robots would blow their power load and collapse if they had to do a tenth the things nurses do.

[-] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 7 points 7 hours ago

I think the plan is to replace nurses with just letting people die instead.

[-] kevincox@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 hours ago

Only the poor people.

[-] capt_wolf@lemmy.world 18 points 13 hours ago

No, what will happen instead is they'll get rid of half of the nurses and the ones they keep will be responsible for 16 million things. My agency is going through it right now. They fired one of our APNs and gave all her duties to our other one. She's already overwhelmed to the point of crying in the office.

[-] wuffah@lemmy.world 24 points 14 hours ago

Have you tried firing all the nurses and just not giving anyone healthcare?

[-] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 25 points 14 hours ago

In the US, we just pay nurses shit and then treat them like shit. It's amazing we have any left.

[-] RandomCheese@lemmy.world 12 points 13 hours ago

Easy solution: Threaten immigrants with deporting them, actually deport half their families...the remaining ones will do anything just not to be deported. No wonder capitalists tend to fund right wing parties

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[-] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 99 points 16 hours ago

In spite of the demonstration videos of robots running and jumping and carrying boxes and slowly sorting packages, none of them are anywhere close to being ready to handle construction jobs, or most manufacturing jobs. And, they can't design or make the machines that automate the processes.

It's a billionaire's dream that this is happening now, it's not. One of the major hurdles is power consumption, as we're all seeing while they build out these "data centers". Robots and computers cannot match the efficiency and self-sufficiency of a human. In a picture:

[-] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 54 points 15 hours ago

Yep. I work in prosthetics, people tend to overestimate current battery technology and underestimate how much energy it takes to move around a couple hundred pounds.

Even with batteries that cost a small fortune, we haven't been able to create a lower limb powered prosthetic that can keep up with the human body for more than a couple hours.

There's a lot of hype about the humanoid robotics coming out of China, but most everything is just marketing science fiction. Once you factor in the initial cost, power consumption for processing data, multiple batteries per unit, and the massive amount of general maintenance...... It becomes pretty apparent that things aren't going to pan out anytime soon.

I build limbs out of reinforced carbon fiber and titanium and even those acquire a ton of wear in a relatively small amount of time. Any bipedal robot with plastic parts, made to do intensive labour is going to start falling apart almost immediately. The human body takes a ton of damage throughout the day as well, but it's self repairing.

[-] jballs@sh.itjust.works 17 points 14 hours ago

Interesting take. I guess I just realized every video we've ever seen of humanoid robots had been them doing something for a few minutes. But you never hear of one doing anything for days, months or years outside of science fiction.

[-] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 20 points 13 hours ago

Bipedal robots are kinda stuck in between a design flaw of what we want robots to look like, what we want robots to do, and what our technology is currently able to do.

Bipedal locomotion is just not the most efficient or simple mode of mobility for things like a flat factory floor, it's really only efficient when you are factoring unleveled ground. We just currently don't have the technology that allows bipedal efficiency across all terrain. That would require a synergistic system of optics and something that mimic propeoception. That's a ton of information being sent from a vast network of sensory input being sorted out by your spine and brain in real time.

Imo robots for a factory floor should be on tracks or wheels. Attempting to design a robot that's good for everything is just going to lead to a robot that is good for nothing. In engineering design should be made to fit a solution, designing for form and then trying to find a solution that form can solve is backwards and typically leads to terrible outcomes.

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[-] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 28 points 16 hours ago

I remember reading a presser about how this cloud vendor was using robots for all kinds of tasks in their datacentre and it was super efficient because automation. But it never actually happened. They still have humans racking servers. The last 10% is hard.

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[-] Abyssian@lemmy.world 17 points 13 hours ago

I remember when it was just as laughable for a phone to dial itself, anything to update itself, computers to write code, etc.

This doesn't show that AI won't eventually be constructing buildings. It just shows you're laughing that a thing that's pretty much certain to happen will never be possible.

Yeah, robotics and AI aren't at a point where they can build a row of houses with zero humans involved... that doesn't say that won't happen "eventually."

The vast majority of technology we use daily was unrealistic science fiction just 50 years ago and completely insane to consider much farther back than that.

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[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago

By the time AI is capable of finishing buildings it will choose to eradicate us instead.

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