Yeah yeah I agree Argentina deserves critical support because of its Global South status and material reality. But I would also like to gently push back, because their reputation for racism definitely has some truth to it

In my experience interacting with other Latin Americans online, Argentines have been the most consistent in using the n word (they told me that is just how they talk over there). I have also seen them drop comments like "improve the race" or call Brazilians "monkeys"

I haven't really encountered any other nationality that uses these kinds of comments so casually. I even met a psychologist once who went as far as asking what my skin color was and she was super judgmental during our brief encounter. Plus, a trans girl I know from there told me that you do not choose the skin color you are attracted to

So yeah, even if they argue that is just how they are and they do not really mean it, when you combine those experiences with their country's history of whitening and their past (and current) policies encouraging European immigration, it really paints a different picture than what they claim

So based on my experience, I would say Argentine people are nice and make good friends, but don't let your guard down because you have to know that side of them exists

I said it before in the Iran War thread, but I'll briefly say it again. The real enemy here is the US and the capitlist control over FIFA, who are auding the US in their propaganda effort. The image of Argentines currently being cultivated is a conscious construction by fascist elements of Argentina and US imperialists. They want to separate Argentine identity from its actual material reality of being a Global South country, and obfuscate it as a part of the white imperialist world.

With that being said, I think it's a bit of a stretch to imply that Argentina isn't racist. It's a settler colony along with the rest of the Western hemisphere, just because the population are not as violently extremist as the US Settler colonialist doctrine doesn't remove that fact. In reality, the fascist elements of Argentina absolutely adore the racism of the US, and much of the white liberal elite in Argentina have less successfully attempted to implement those same policies in Argentina.

I don't quite understand why some Argentines try to point to US bigotry as a proof that they're being singled out for racism. The ruling bigots of the US are directly responsible for fermenting racism in Argentina by supporting the most disgusting of comprodors like Milei. They aren't separate at all, but closely linked.

Even historically, the settler colonial elite of Argentina based their racial theories on the model of the US founding fathers.

The racism of Argentina is sustained by the whims of the US, and I think it's fair to say that as long as Argentina is under the thumb of the US and isn't able to remove their influence, then Argentine racism will continue to grow and become more vitriolic.

It's almost as if Soccer/Football fans from ANY country are made up largely of it's most reactionary slice of society, young, arrogant and often ignorant men.

You cannot point to any country's football fanbase and claim there aren't any boneheaded xenophobes, bigots and racists, but due to some astronomic global cracker projection effort, we've somehow come to the conclusion that it's Argentina's football culture (or even it's entire country! The country that abolished black slavery and segregations decades or even centuries before most "civilized" Europeans) that is totally the epitome of racism in the modern world. The lack of awareness and boneheaded confidence that so many westerners, of all races, have decided to believe in, has to be the biggest case of algorithmic boosted cultural slander I have seen.

Never ask Argentinians (including BE) what happened to their large black population. 🤫

Yeah instead of finger wagging at the other, westerners finally got a new figure to be racist towards while putting themselves on the high horse.

idk im black so im just gonna use my basic survival skills here. even in this community i had an encounter with someone defending argentina and someone who i think was an argentinian and i had to use that block button because i was uncomfortable which im not quick to do.

your last line says there ”if you meet an argentinian be extra nice to them” but if some of us meet an argentinian we would probably just be called a hard r, please be honest. my first encounter with argentinians was discourse about a semi offensive term to japanese latin americans and this person then went on to say that brazil is way too harsh with their anti racism laws and many latin americans have warned us about argentina.

”if i was argentinian i would not feel safe in europe” because you know your grandpa is still wanted or what? be real, nobody of argentinian descent would be oppressed in europe if they are white in appearance.

also: youre all so quick to say ”north americans are saying argentina is racist” but dont have the guts to say you mean n words are saying that. its just black americans pointing it out and warning each other, be honest. there is no large anti argentina scheme, its minorities warning each other against racism.

i would hate to continue this with passive aggressive anti-black people in the community so please just do your nazbol debut and say what you feel about minorities if thats the case. if not, then just stop making an issue where its not.

England fans complaining about how racist Argentina fans are

I am convinced it's a psyop to isolate Argentina so people cheer when they get butchered by USrael.

As a Brazilian, I can tell you that the perception of Argentinians as snobs and racists is very old. It may have exacerbated during the world cup, but during several Libertadores da América games, there were many Argentinians fans calling Brazilian players monkey.

I feel like the core of the problem is just ultras all around. When Spain wins any football trophy, it's right-wingers going out to the town square to say "Pedro Sánchez motherfucker" or whatever fascist chant they come up with (this is VERY common to see), and sometimes they even show the Francoist flag and all. In club leagues in many countries, some team's (right-wing) ultras go out breaking shit and fighting the other team's hooligans when they lose. This is true domestically in Argentina and Spain (among many other countries ofc).

Sadly it's no surprise that a world cup final gets so heated when a significant subset of the fanbase are reactionaries (and nationalist marketing is everywhere). When I saw the semifinals' teams I knew it was gonna be bad. My only hope (politically) before that had been Egypt and they were fucked over. But most disappointing is the fact that there was no big show of spite for FIFA, much less any sign of a boycott, even when Trump straight up had the US' red card removed.

To be clear, there are left-wing ultras and as far as I know they tend to show sportsmanship and unity between fanbases in matches instead beating the shit out of each other (shocking revelation /s).

yeah, maybe they were kinda giles (heel-ess for the gringos) in 2023 elections, milei is a pelotudo sionista, and they were making a quilombo with the racist remarks of the selection, but argentina is cool and gauchos are most lovely and don't deserve a collective punishment because i love them, i swear it by dieguito maradona!