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The hatred for Argentina is getting out of hand
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I feel like the core of the problem is just ultras all around. When Spain wins any football trophy, it's right-wingers going out to the town square to say "Pedro Sánchez motherfucker" or whatever fascist chant they come up with (this is VERY common to see), and sometimes they even show the Francoist flag and all. In club leagues in many countries, some team's (right-wing) ultras go out breaking shit and fighting the other team's hooligans when they lose. This is true domestically in Argentina and Spain (among many other countries ofc).
Sadly it's no surprise that a world cup final gets so heated when a significant subset of the fanbase are reactionaries (and nationalist marketing is everywhere). When I saw the semifinals' teams I knew it was gonna be bad. My only hope (politically) before that had been Egypt and they were fucked over. But most disappointing is the fact that there was no big show of spite for FIFA, much less any sign of a boycott, even when Trump straight up had the US' red card removed.
To be clear, there are left-wing ultras and as far as I know they tend to show sportsmanship and unity between fanbases in matches instead beating the shit out of each other (shocking revelation /s).
I thought left wing ultras where cool till one of them called me a race traitor, now I just hate them all equally.
My main critique of left wing football ultras tends to be that they could direct the energy they put into football into literally anything else and it would be more productive, instead they direct it into setting fire to bins and shitting on the street when there team loses. They tend to only be leftist in opposition to the other side, in a sectarian way where if you try to talk about leftism they wont know anything and if you try to get them on side they will fall back to liberal biases. Its the kind of person who flies a Palestine flag, not because they support Palestine, but because they think it pisses off the other side.
We don't have this problem in Poland, football ultras are all rightwing with most of them being either neonazi or polofash. And this is after improvement of situation in last two decades.
I've yet to see any left-wing ultras, especially in Eastern Europe.
I mean, progress is progress, I guess? It seems my issue is impatience as I see how much conditions degrade and personally affect me, but staying grounded and recognizing conditions are going to have to affect many more than me, before they can begin to improve.
I remember being dumbfounded when a financially comfortable friend looked me in the eye and said (decades ago) that the poor would feel the crunch of a collapse the least because we had much less to lose and wanting to knock the stuffing out of him. But I kind of feel compassion for him, because while he was super smart, he reminds me of how ignorant we can be, in all our glory.
It seems like a scorched earth policy. Some just don't even know any different or better. I'm also learning that some grounds aren't conducive to planting a seed, so that soil needs conditioning, or recognizing when our resources would be better spent elsewhere.
I still get flustered and even angry, but I'm having a deep compassion awakened, as I realize that while I'm certainly not where I want to be, I've made phenomenal progress, given my circumstances, in just a few years. I hardly recognize myself, sometimes. And progress isn't linear, either.
I understand the nuance, its just that 90% of ultras just end up being thugs drawn to some form of perceived sectarian power trip against an enemy of other working class men typically. The hate mostly just stems from how they like to fight each other all the time here and the states of the streets afterwards.
Maybe. It's not like I encounter any sort of leftist in 3D, and I'm still learning to suss out all differences and flavors.
One of my friends was a left wing ultra - an anarchist one - and by god, he had the worst takes imaginable, like saying we should laugh at male rape victims or the usual evul chynah stuff. Anecdotally I know but still…