113

cross-posted from : https://lemmy.world/post/49585184

Translation:

5, 10 or 15 percent? Card terminals are increasingly asking for tips.

You may have had to do this lately too: choosing what percentage tip you want to give on the card terminal when paying in a restaurant or bar. Or clicking 'no tip' after all.

The number of hospitality businesses doing this is growing, and we are also tipping more often when we have to choose. This is evident from figures shared by payment companies with the NOS. When giving such a tip, we most often choose 5 percent from the options of 5, 10, 15 percent, or a self-chosen amount.

Hospitality businesses using payment and software company Tebi can decide for themselves whether to display the menu. It turns out that at coffee shops where you order at a counter, the percentage of tippers skyrockets when they ask for a tip. Almost no one adds a tip by card if no request is displayed, but with a request, that figure is over 20 percent.

In upscale restaurants, customers often leave a tip by card anyway, even if not asked. With a tipping menu, even more people do so, according to the figures. Percentage of transactions with a tip

At surf school and beach bar The Shore in Scheveningen, they have been working with percentage tips for quite some time. During the pandemic, the business switched to card payments only. "Tips dropped drastically then," says co-owner Thomas Franse.

In 2021, The Shore got a POS system that had that tipping option, and it was enabled. "That was definitely the moment the tips went up again."

Franse has mixed feelings about asking for tips. "It is not the best customer experience. In the beginning, we received quite a lot of negative reactions alongside the positive ones. However, it is an important source of income for the staff." He also notices customers getting used to it now, because more and more hospitality businesses are doing it. A tip menu on a card reader

Payment company Adyen compiled data on the proportion of hospitality business owners who are customers of their establishments who use a custom tipping menu. For restaurants, this rose from 19 percent in the first half of 2025 to 22 percent in the first half of 2026. For bars and cafes, it rose from 46 to 53 percent.

"This indicates that this is increasingly becoming a standard part of modern payment processes in the hospitality industry," says Julien Marlier, Benelux Manager. On card terminals where the tipping function is active, 61 percent choose 'no tip'. Consequently, 39 percent do leave a tip, averaging 4.31 euros.

Tebi also has figures on the percentage we select when giving a tip. Most often, people choose 5 percent. "About a quarter enter their own, usually small, amount," says general manager Florian Brunsting. "High 'American' tip amounts are hardly ever seen." In the US, a tip of at least 20 percent is expected in restaurants. How much tip should we give?

The Irish pub Mick O'Connells in Utrecht also has card readers with tip requests. "It is sometimes quite surprising who does and doesn't give a tip," says manager James O'Halloran. "Young students, from whom you wouldn't expect a tip, might give 5 or 10 percent. Wealthier bank employees sometimes give nothing at all."

The tip is usually 5 percent, he notes as well. "On average, we receive about 3,500 to 4,000 euros in tips monthly. That is distributed entirely among employees, based on the number of working hours." On average, it amounts to about 2 euros per hour. Less personal

Restaurant and bar patrons react differently to tip requests. "I didn't give a tip," says Sophie, who ordered at the counter at a salad bar in Utrecht and had to choose. "I find it less personal. It's just: here, do you want to give a tip or not?"

"I like it because then I can choose for myself what, if anything, to give," says a visitor to The Shore in Scheveningen. He gave a 5 percent tip. "People work hard for it. So it's nice to give a little something extra." More often in Amsterdam

Whether entrepreneurs opt for a tip menu varies by region. For instance, in Amsterdam, over 30 percent of Tebi customers have enabled the feature, whereas in Nijmegen, for example, it is only 10 percent.

During a survey in Den Bosch, several hospitality businesses said they did not want to get involved. "I'm not really a fan of it," says Marc Bouman of Brasserij Breton. "I'm not going to push tips unnecessarily; people give it if they want to."

"If you show that choice, people might feel forced," says Angie Joosten of Café CinQ. "For us, it works just fine to leave it entirely up to each individual."

top 49 comments
sorted by: hot top new old
[-] ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Fuck off with that. Pay employees properly.

[-] grandma@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 day ago

We hebben een serieus probleem

[-] Zacryon@feddit.org 24 points 1 day ago

However, it is an important source of income for the staff.

How about you don't suck as an employer and pay adequate wages to the staff?

[-] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Asking for a tip is like asking for more money after you both signed the deal.

If you ask for a tip, I, as a customer, will also ask for a tip.

[-] smiletolerantly@awful.systems 55 points 1 day ago

Oh god, here in Germany, too. Was at a chain bakery in Cologne station a couple of weeks ago, bought something for like 3€. The employee told me "choose on the screen and place your card", I just automatically placed my card. Nothing happens. "Choose on the screen".

Oh.

Do I want to tip 15, 25, or 30% for the literally 5 seconds of service I got?

Of course didn't tip, because wtf.

However, I'm sure in her eyes I was being an asshole. And that's the thing, isn't it? Every party is incentivized to push for this model.

  • payment terminal makers increase the amount of fees they collect
  • employees get lured with the promise of making more money
  • employers get lured with the idea of being able to reduce ~~expenses~~ wages eventually

(This wasn't the first time btw, just the most egregious one I've encountered)

[-] vandsjov@feddit.dk 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

However, I’m sure in her eyes I was being an asshole.

Dont be sure about that assumption. That person might hate the system for the very same reason you do. They might feel like beggars. Here in Denmark we got the same thing going and I often experience that the staff will push the “no tip” option themself.

[-] smiletolerantly@awful.systems 3 points 1 day ago

I mean... Maybe. But she had two opportunities to do so.

I'm not angry at her in any way, I should clarify. If I was in the same situation? Low paying job, potential for significant additional pay for no extra work? Hard to say no to that.

[-] Redditquaza@feddit.org 6 points 1 day ago

Would you mind naming the bakery, so I know which one I will definitely avoid?

[-] smiletolerantly@awful.systems 7 points 1 day ago

According to my card statement, Le Crobag (in the Cologne main station).

[-] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The Netherlands is one of the most equal countries in the world and their minimum wage is relatively high. Sorry, but you can do without my tip. Because once this is normalized where will it ever end?

[-] alcea@feddit.org 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

US and other countries see tipping as wwy to pay their employees even less. It's kind of a "well just perfom well and get the rest in tips"

A social worker once told me something similar à "you can support yourself with tips ! Be nice to customers, extra nice. Even nicer than ever."

I needed to take a shower after getting home that day. This is a ridiculous concept..

Imagine you go eating at a restaurant, and the waitress is extra nice to you cause her livelyhood depends on it.................. All while being stressed from serving, remembering orders and having to keep the place running, all whill big CEO is sitting somewhere counting all the cash made by doing nothing. Not fun.

[-] Grass@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

spoiler: it never ends

[-] notsosure@sh.itjust.works 49 points 1 day ago

Choosing the option “no tip” is an important political statement: we must protect worker’s rights.

[-] reksas@sopuli.xyz 15 points 1 day ago

one thing that might put at least a little dent on this, is to be outraged when you see such tipping thing and abort whatever purchase you were going to do because of it and let the seller know it too. Its annoying and bothersome, but better that than this spreading more and you eventually being coerced into giving in.

[-] dparticiple@sh.itjust.works 50 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Speaking as an American, albeit someone who's lived in multiple countries and traveled widely, you don't want our tipping culture.

It's a slippery slope that once you slide down you won't be able to climb back up. Claptrap about consumer choice means nothing when those around you are tipping, and the waiter is hovering over your table with an expectant look in his eye.

The 5, 10, 15% tip rates are also laughably naive. At least on the US west coast, POS machines routinely display 18, 20, 22, 25%+ options now, and 20% has become the de-facto standard for good service if you have any plans to return to an establishment.

There's also tip creep. Whole classes of professions that didn't expect tips here in the US now do. Yielding to tip culture is also a concession to changing the balance between living wages and variable income.

For what it's worth, I tip generously here in the US because I know it's the culture, and offsets the ridiculously low minimum wages paid to hard-working service staff. But our failings don't have to be your failings.

Edit: Supporting my point - https://www.reddit.com/r/FoodLosAngeles/comments/1dafgeb/normalizing_the_22_tip/

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/business/money-report/sick-of-tip-creep-5-times-its-ok-not-to-tip-according-to-etiquette-experts/

[-] RedstoneValley@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 day ago

Another potential problem with card tipping is that the service person serving you might not receive the tip at all because restaurant owners can choose to keep the additional money or to redistribute it unfairly among the staff

[-] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 6 points 1 day ago

Is that even legal? I know that they can do this in the US, but I have no clue about the legality of this in the Netherlands.

[-] Stitch0815@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago

I would be surprised if that were legal in the netherlands

[-] RedstoneValley@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

I don't know tbh, but a quick search in German law for example has left me under the impression that while the service person has a right to keep a tip by law, the whole topic seems to be a grey area. What makes matters worse is that the tips paid by credit card are going to the account of the owner first and it seems to depend on the willingness of the owner to distribute the tips to the service people afterwards. If the gastronomy business in the Netherlands is similar to Germany, with minimum wage incomes, bad working conditions and a cutthroat environment (and I suspect it is) then I guess a lot of these credit card tips don't make it into the hands of the service person. But that is just my assumption.

[-] Taalnazi@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

This should be prohibited.

Pay our workers properly. I never tip for this reason. It's the responsibility of the employer to pay well, not of us.

[-] Bababasti@feddit.org 17 points 1 day ago

I remember learning from my parents that tipping is the exception, not the rule, for when the service really has been exceptionally good. Now I feel like a dickhead when eating out and not tipping, no matter the service quality, which really annoys me (experience in Germany)

[-] lokalhorst@feddit.org 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I actually do it the other way round, as I feel weird for "rewarding" service people, it feels kind of hierarchic. So I always tip in a restaurant, but I don't tip if the service was bad.

I do small amounts if I had more than a drink. In a bakery or somewhere else to go I only tip if I feel the person could need it, if it's a student or so.

And yeah, I also don't tip via these 5,10,15% card terminals. But I give them 1 or 2, euros in cash instead.

[-] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 12 hours ago

I straight up never tip. They should pay their employees properly.

[-] lokalhorst@feddit.org 1 points 12 hours ago

It's low pay sector and that will never change. They get paid okay in Germany. But I earn more so I tip from time to time.

[-] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 day ago

Even if i was going to tip, which I do when it's a nice restaurant, showing me a terminal with a button will instantly turn that into no tip.

[-] naeap@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

Yeah, I'll give some euros in cash, but will press no tip on the terminal
I can't be sure, if the employees ever receive it and I want to honour the service I got personally

"American-syle" anything is usually a threat to proper living, lol. Even their deep dish pizzas, although I'm more partial to them for obvious reasons. 😅

[-] doleo@lemmy.one 1 points 1 day ago

“American style” should trigger the same kind of response as “biohazard”, or “war zone”, or “x”.

You want a further vision of that? Read "I know why the Aliens don't Land" by Jeremy Vanaei. Andor play any or all of the three Bioshock games with great art by Johnathan Vasquez. No Relation, like Boondocks. There's even a board game to top the Infinity showing that I never finished, even on easy mode, cuz in the neverending absurdity on the flying board fight.

[-] Legwarmer1411@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 day ago

I never quite get why performing your job = entitlement of expecting tips as granted. Office jobs don't get tips either when they perform their jobs. Maybe there are bonuses based on revenue but that's another thing. So why when office jobs are out buying a coffee or ice cream, they are expected to tip?

If the boss is terrible and doesn't pay their workers a living salary for spending their time and effort in making the business run, what customers ought to do shouldn't be supporting this model out of mercy or compassion but use their action to vote for businesses they support, like when they would usually make other purchases elsewhere.

[-] The_Che_Banana@beehaw.org 4 points 1 day ago

Forced/expected tipping is toxic and absolutely wrong for so many reasons, the least of which is in many states it is expected for staff wages so legal exceptions to the minimum wage are enacted (some places you make less than 2$ /hr).

And yes, it is like a little bonus for the working staff.

In Spain tipping is generally rounded up change to the nearest euro, people still give tips feely and it is a welcome surprise but definitely not expected.

I find it ironic that the English shit on the Spanish for not tipping, then don't tip themselves, and Americans always say 'hey, we don't have to tip!' and don't, completely missing the point of tipping.

The Dutch are famously tight but tip well, the Irish tip well.

[-] Ravi@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago

This was the tipping way in Germany too, at least when you mostly paid with cash. IMO it was mostly used to speed up the payment process, even when recieving okayish service. Much faster to return 8€ than 8.47€. With digital transactions this is not necessary anymore. Ignoring the 1/10 exceptional service you get rarely.

[-] The_Che_Banana@beehaw.org 2 points 1 day ago

I actually enjoy the service here, everything takes awhile, servers disappear, you often have to get their attention if you n would like something... In the US its so oppressive; every 30 seconds: water? Howiseverything? Can I get you some thing else? Here's your bill now getthefuckoutigottamakerent

[-] OfCourseNot@fedia.io 5 points 1 day ago

My grandma always said (translated) 'against the vice of asking for, the virtue of not giving'. She was a really wise woman.

[-] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago

Like a cancer?

[-] echo@lemmy.today 4 points 1 day ago
[-] tardigrade@scribe.disroot.org 3 points 1 day ago

So you can click "zero tip" and pay it in cash, no?

[-] Fizz@lemmy.nz 1 points 1 day ago

Servers will be happy about this.

[-] mjr@infosec.pub 2 points 1 hour ago

Servers will not be happy about tips going into the business merchant accounts instead of the tip jar that they can see if the owner skims.

[-] mabeledo@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

If this ever takes root, I guarantee that servers will be paid less than minimum wage.

[-] Fizz@lemmy.nz 1 points 1 day ago

They will go from making min wage to 2x min wage. No way they get paid less than min wage

[-] mabeledo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Nobody is going to pay a server double wages, that’s naive and has never happened. Either they don’t get any tips, or the owner will come up with a tipped wage where they get their current wages cut, and then they rely on tips to survive.

[-] Fizz@lemmy.nz 0 points 1 day ago

No. They are already on or near min wage. With tips they will make double that easily. In the rare case that their tips dont make min wage the employer will pay them min wage.

[-] mabeledo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago

You are thinking about the US.

It will not work the same in the EU. People won’t pay 20% on top of the bill for service, we are not that stupid.

[-] Fizz@lemmy.nz 0 points 1 day ago

Doesnt matter what people tip. Servers currently make min wage or close to so anything is an increase. I dont think tipping is good and I hate that servers always push for it.

[-] mabeledo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I don’t think you understand what you are saying.

If tips become customary, there is no incentive for businesses to increase wages, but there is a very clear one for the same businesses to lobby for lower wages, which is precisely what happens in the US.

And I’m not talking about paying their workers less than the legally admissible, but to push to keep the same minimum wage for decades, which again, is precisely what happens in the US, where the minimum has been ~$3 an hour for tipped employees.

[-] mabeledo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago

I don’t think you understand what you are saying.

If tips become customary, there is no incentive for businesses to increase wages, but there is a very clear one for the same businesses to lobby for lower wages, which is precisely what happens in the US.

And I’m not talking about paying their workers less than the legally admissible, but to push to keep the same minimum wage for decades, which again, is precisely what happens in the US, where the minimum has been ~$3 an hour for tipped employees.

[-] Fizz@lemmy.nz 0 points 18 hours ago

There is already no incentive to increase wages for a service worker. Its a low skilled position in an economy with 6% unemployment.

It doesnt matter if the wages increase or not because they're tied to min wage. So worst case servers will make what they currently make and best case they get a wage boost from tips. Thats why they are always in favour of adding it. Go ask a server in the us if they would like to get rid of tips and go to min wage they'll say fuck no I dont want $7 an hours I'm making 15-20$ an hour right now.

The $3 min wage you keep referencing undermines your point because it only applies when servers are making over the federal hourly min wage. Its a win/win for server and business and lose for customers.

this post was submitted on 19 Jul 2026
113 points (95.2% liked)

Europe

11618 readers
1289 users here now

News and information from Europe 🇪🇺

(Current banner: La Mancha, Spain. Feel free to post submissions for banner images.)

Rules (2024-08-30)

  1. This is an English-language community. Comments should be in English. Posts can link to non-English news sources when providing a full-text translation in the post description. Automated translations are fine, as long as they don't overly distort the content.
  2. No links to misinformation or commercial advertising. When you post outdated/historic articles, add the year of publication to the post title. Infographics must include a source and a year of creation; if possible, also provide a link to the source.
  3. Be kind to each other, and argue in good faith. Don't post direct insults nor disrespectful and condescending comments. Don't troll nor incite hatred. Don't look for novel argumentation strategies at Wikipedia's List of fallacies.
  4. No bigotry, sexism, racism, antisemitism, islamophobia, dehumanization of minorities, or glorification of National Socialism. We follow German law; don't question the statehood of Israel.
  5. Be the signal, not the noise: Strive to post insightful comments. Add "/s" when you're being sarcastic (and don't use it to break rule no. 3).
  6. If you link to paywalled information, please provide also a link to a freely available archived version. Alternatively, try to find a different source.
  7. Light-hearted content, memes, and posts about your European everyday belong in other communities.
  8. Don't evade bans. If we notice ban evasion, that will result in a permanent ban for all the accounts we can associate with you.
  9. No posts linking to speculative reporting about ongoing events with unclear backgrounds. Please wait at least 12 hours. (E.g., do not post breathless reporting on an ongoing terror attack.)
  10. Always provide context with posts: Don't post uncontextualized images or videos, and don't start discussions without giving some context first.

(This list may get expanded as necessary.)

Posts that link to the following sources will be removed

Unless they're the only sources, please also avoid The Sun, Daily Mail, any "thinktank" type organization, and non-Lemmy social media (incl. Substack). Don't link to Twitter directly, instead use xcancel.com. For Reddit, use old:reddit:com

(Lists may get expanded as necessary.)

Ban lengths, etc.

We will use some leeway to decide whether to remove a comment.

If need be, there are also bans: 3 days for lighter offenses, 7 or 14 days for bigger offenses, and permanent bans for people who don't show any willingness to participate productively. If we think the ban reason is obvious, we may not specifically write to you.

If you want to protest a removal or ban, feel free to write privately to the admin that applied the rule (check modlog first to find who was it.)

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS