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[-] Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world 54 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Hey now, the ancients were ped erasts, not ped ophiles. The fancy term makes it okay!

(Just don't point out that the difference is that pederasty means same-sex pedophilia. Or do! I wonder how they'd react.)

[-] lyralycan@sh.itjust.works 25 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

How is there another nuanced difference in terminology for sexual attraction to children (that I didn't know yet)

[-] Laser@feddit.org 18 points 3 weeks ago

Eight-year-olds, dude.

[-] Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

Because that one is mainly used by historians, not pedos trying to move the goalposts so they can pretend they aren't one.

[-] bitwise@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 weeks ago

Wait until you see the new PR hotness that is MAP (Minor Attracted Person)

🤢

[-] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

What's it called when a man loves a 600-year-old dragon in the body of an 8-year-old?

[-] applebusch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 weeks ago

loli, which is just more pedophilia

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[-] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 52 points 3 weeks ago

Why the fuck do people give that many fucks over how other people fuck? What does it matter?

[-] Malyca@lemmy.zip 25 points 3 weeks ago

Because they're also gay but can't accept it

[-] gedfromgont@piefed.ca 6 points 3 weeks ago

Yep, my heart goes out to @nomad understanding his feelings some day.

[-] jtrek@startrek.website 11 points 3 weeks ago

Sometimes it's "reaction formation". They like a thing. That makes them uncomfortable. They instead go hard in the other direction - they hate the thing it's horrible and bad and the worst.

Sometimes they're just... basic, and need the world to fit into simple boxes. Anything else stresses their brain.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah it's something you see around when you start looking for it. It's such an unhappy but easy means to preserve ego

[-] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Because some ancient sex manuals written by ancient goat herders said that gay sex is gross, but it also said love thy neighbor, and none of the peasants at that time had the wherewithal to think "hey maybe only one of those things actually makes sense"

Edit: I'm not giving the peasants enough credit - a bunch of them probably did have the wherewithal, but the people in power murdered them for questioning the ancient sex manual, so that stopped that pretty quick

[-] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 5 points 3 weeks ago

Nah, the ancients didn't give a fuck. Greek, Roman, Egyptian... Love is love and sex is sex

[-] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago

I'm talking different ancients - the Judeans, Samaritans, Palestinians, etc

[-] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 6 points 3 weeks ago

Shouldn't have let them write the books. Single God was an error.

[-] Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

And it's fucked how if you explore more than one religion, faith or spiritual practice you're considered a heretic.

[-] roserose56@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 weeks ago

Amen to this! Let people be, let people fuck what ever they want.

[-] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 12 points 3 weeks ago

*In some sensible guardrails, let's exclude kids and maybe dead people, animals and such, you know. But as long as there's consent, I don't give a fuck.

[-] edible_funk@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago
[-] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Captain Jack Harkness? Good example.

If I were the Face of Bo, I wouldn't bother with strange ideas of heterosexuality as well.

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 2 weeks ago

too bad the JACK BARROWMEN wasnt acting, lol. he was a pervert too, which is why he been cancelled from being in doctor who from then on.

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[-] 666dollarfootlong@lemmy.world 33 points 3 weeks ago

They made homosex woke. Enough said

[-] P00ptart@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Ruined the gay sex for the rest of us. Smdh

[-] sundray@lemmus.org 23 points 3 weeks ago

They must be thinking about Hollywood’s depiction of exaggerated “manly” Spartan homosexuality. They just want to LARP 300 so bad, you guys.

[-] homes@piefed.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Did they actually show any homosexuality in the movie 300?

[-] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 15 points 3 weeks ago

No, ironically the Spartans in the movie made fun of the Athenians by calling them boy lovers. Which is hilarious considering that Spartan society was way more homosexual than Athenian society.

[-] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 weeks ago

I always interpreted it as a Spartan preference for grown men over boys.

Like more Freddie Mercury and less Judy Garland, please.

[-] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 4 points 3 weeks ago

Idk, maybe if there was even a single reference to Spartan homosexuality then maybe. But Spartans were just depicted as beautiful strong who all loved their beautiful strong wives.

[-] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago

The subtext speaks louder than the text in 300.

[-] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 4 points 3 weeks ago

Lol, I think you might be giving it more credit than it deserves. I'm not sure if there is a lot of subtext in the movie 300. The writing in that movie is pretty minimal and straight forward. It's just a shoddy framework for some interesting (for the time) visual effects.

That is unless you think Zack Snyder was purposely creating media that would fascinate future chuds for years to come. Imo it's just the movie your average 14 year old boy would make in the 00s.

[-] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago

Subtext need not be intentional.

[-] sundray@lemmus.org 2 points 3 weeks ago

I couldn't really tell you, I was... distracted.

[-] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 19 points 3 weeks ago

The ancient Greek hate when you feminize the little boys they rape, everyone knows this.

[-] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 15 points 3 weeks ago

This is the same kind of manosphere twitterbro circlejerk logic that brought us this

[-] Jax@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 weeks ago

I feel like my brain is being nerfed every day.

[-] luciferofastora@feddit.org 15 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Tales of Times Forgotten: Just How Gay Were the Ancient Greeks Really?

The gist of it is

  • Ancient Greek gender identity was more of a "scale" of manliness
  • Sexuality was not an identity but a phase
  • The roles of penetrator and penetrated were split along the division of adult male and anyone else
  • An adult man receiving another was taboo
  • Young adult men were expected to court an adolescent lover
  • Adolescent men were to make them work for it (but also ultimately accept their role)
  • Full adults (late twenties) were to take a wife (usually adolescent girls) and stop pursuing boys

Also noteworthy is that preadolescents were off-limits. "Technically, it's ephebophilia" doesn't make it less fucked up, but it's also a distinction I suspect some of the "it was normal in Ancient Greece" chuds to overlook. Paedophilia wasn't acceptable back then either.

Men who courted other adult men were indeed seen as effeminate though. The post got that part right. But so were adults that failed to move on from their half-man phase of courting boys. I suspect those chuds miss that as well.

All in all, Ancient Greek ideas of sexuality don't neatly map onto modern ones, and they sure weren't progressive.

[-] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 3 weeks ago

I think this man should learn that even looking through gay porn you can sort by categories.

[-] rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 weeks ago

All tops in ancient Greece. That's how wrestling started.

[-] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 2 points 3 weeks ago

We must return to Gachimuchi

[-] FreddiesLantern@leminal.space 5 points 3 weeks ago

Look, I'm against age verification for privacy/democracy purposes. But like, can we have a dialogue pop up that asks whether or not we're ready for this kind of nonsense in our day?

[-] Remy@lemmy.today 5 points 3 weeks ago

What does he means with "ancient homosexuality" vs "feminized homosexuality" ? And then why he even cares about it?

[-] unrealMinotaur@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 weeks ago

There is actually a pretty big gap between ancient and modern ideas of male on male intercourse. It's an interesting rabbit hole to go down if you get the chance.

[-] RichardDegenne@lemmy.zip 10 points 3 weeks ago

I'd rather go down a man hole given the conversation we're currently having.

[-] Windex007@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Hell yah brother noting gay about pounding another dude as long as that dude is super masculine.

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Woke radical leftists ruined the sanctity of gayness?

[-] Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Don't the Greeks and Roman's have a lot of stereotypical butt jokes made about them?

[-] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 weeks ago

Why does Romans get an apostrophe but not Greeks and jokes?

[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Also:

####s: plural form

####'s: expresses owner

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