White Gay Mafia

Hey folks, just want to drop some keywords for folks who want to do more reading - Though it's never directly mentioned (which is weird because this fight is at least fifty years old and has always had two fairly well defined sides and there are libraries of scholarship and zines about it) this is part of the ongoing conflict between Queer Liberation and Queer Assimilation. Searching either term will lead to to scads of text going back decades, literally generations.

Also, it's always worth re-reading the Combahee River Collective statement, which is mostly cited as the point where "intersectionality" as a concept started.

Some of these replies are a bit defensive

@[email protected] right now, shaking their damn head.

You mean liberals. Not white gay men.

Oh, I just posted earlier about the cis gay tarot creator who dropped a sick anti woke anti trans video on youtube. https://hexbear.net/comment/4298987

Wow, paper was unfortunate and not surprising. I feel many things are covered by "personal preference" which perhaps have bigotry behind them.

What I have trouble understanding is, the folks really seem to think it is personal preference. As in, their conceptions based in ethnicity, geographical region, language, broader culture, sexual orientation, etc. sort of come from nowhere, magically, and thus since there can't be any conceivable reason for such preferences, it can not be argued against! How convenient!

Their not knowing of the influences is seemingly worth more or the very reason why such and such prejudice is not real prejudice, rather it's checks notes personal preference!

They are like arguing a negative I think, their evidence being there is no evidence. This is sort of conspiratorial and of course filled with contradiction. Like WMDs in Iraq, the lack of evidence is evidence. Why is it when it is pointed out how something like that, even if true, is extremely tenuous, often the response is: "Yeah, well that's in you for not understanding or being open-minded"? It is not really enough satisfy someone looking for an explanation.

Idk... You can have your preference, and why does it seem to be contingent on certain beliefs about the world which are obviously false? Yeah I don't really know...

https://hexbear.net/post/1182443 On Power’s Doorstep: Gays, Jews, and Liminal Complicity in Reproducing Masculine Domination https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4195137

This article explores the gender complexities of men caught between social power and powerlessness. Specifically, I consider the cases of Jewish men and gay men in the late modern West, two demographics with deep historic ties to both abjection and privilege. Such "in-between-ness” steers many, especially those who are white, cisgender, and/or otherwise privileged, toward what I term liminal complicity, a normative adaptation whereby men embrace manly ideals while disavowing femininity in themselves and others. I synthesize cultural, interactionist, and psychoanalytic literatures on stigma, boundaries, and gender practice to articulate liminal complicity as both an emotional retreat from stigmatization and a rational means of accruing status and redrawing social boundaries. I conduct a comparative-historical analysis of gendered discourses and practices at different historical junctures to show how analogous processes of (1) normative identification, (2) self-transformation, and (3) distinction from and (4) aggression toward feminized others enable historically subordinated men to elevate themselves without disrupting broader systems of domination.