Meanwhile Biden (and basically every zionist media outlet) on October 7th:
Maybe this genocide gets compared to the Holocaust because Jews of all people should know fucking better given their history of being scapegoated and murdered.
Greta didn’t even directly compare it to the holocaust.
Concentration camps have been a frequent element of genocides even before the Holocaust.
I recall learning that the British invented them for the Boer war, but probably the Romans were concentrating rebellious Celts in starvation camps millennia ago.
These people are always trying to keep discussion on the level of discussion itself. How someone says something and so on. Meanwhile, "Israel" really is building concentration camps with barbed wired and armed guards where people are concentrated in incredibly dense living conditions. But the material facts of the matter were never part of the discussion. Probably best not to let them define the discourse by engaging on their terms. Just repeating the facts again and again and posting pictures probably reaches more people.
Oh you're right, sorry
They're similar to the Japanese concentration camps the US had during WW2
Something kind of weird about this besides all the ways it is more indirectly incorrect is that fundamentally this guy seems incredulous about the Holocaust being the default reference for genocide, but for a Zionist to say that feels a little absurd when a) Israel historically has pushed for education on the Holocaust in the west (e.g. I think in the 60s in America) because it tries to use the Holocaust to justify its existence in west-facing propaganda and b) some of the most prominent and dedicated zionists in the west historically, like Levi, were/are big on "Holocaust exceptionalism," the belief that the Holocaust (defined as the killing of the 6 million Jews and not any of the other genocide) is uniquely bad and, functionally, that comparing any other genocide to it is basically minimizing the Holocaust.
So him calling the comparison inappropriate makes sense (it's totally wrong, but it makes sense he'd say it), but him acting like it's inexplicable that we'd use the Holocaust as the central reference point for genocide when Zionists themselves ensured that it was so heavily emphasized in public education and public discourse is weird.
And if you were to use something else as the metric he'd just go "uh, why are you using THAT to measure if something is a genocide? Are you trying to deny the holocaust?"
It was cool but idk if fifteen times cooler
i hate how a key part of these asshole's communications strategy is to pretend like history began right where they started paying attention.
the term "concentration camp" was around before the nazis. it originated with the war of cuban independence in the mid 1860s, when the colonial project began detaining civilians in camps. they called them reconcentrados, which was translated into english as "concentration camp".
the phenomenon, of course, existed prior. and the specific term was used in english by americans to describe their own usage of them during the Phillipine-American War (~1900). also used in english, by the british, to describe them being deployed by the british in the boer war.
it's an instructive term to study because they are clearly a tool used by colonial projects to control populations that are inconvenient, revealing the truth to the analysis (fascism is colonial suppression turned inward) that the nazi project was so reviled by europeans, not because of what it did to humans, but because it did it in europe to europeans.
nobody gave a shit when germany used them in southwest africa to exterminate indigenous pastoralists. and now white supremacists are trying to pretend that the term is trademarked and only narrowly applies to a single historical moment because any critical examination of the material processes would blow up in their face.
So...he's saying it's fair to compare it to previous genocides, just not the holocaust.
She doesn't mention the Holocaust? There's Chinese and Ukrainian mass deaths that often get compared to things to villify communist regimes. Your example couldn't be more apt. COVID was a 9/11 every day in America.
Nazi Germany gets compared to a lot of things, not just Isntreal.
But if I had to guess, it is probably interesting how the sons and daughters of those who said "never again" in response to the Holocaust cheapen those words to mean "I mean you can't do it to us; we are right to do it actually". It's hard to believe the depravity.
In liberal terms, it's like Harry Potter being upset that he's always in the conversation with Voldemort despite the fact that he's famous and chosen and the boy who lived because of the bastard. In read another book, it's like if Kvothe didn't want to be mentioned in the same breath as Cinder despite the whole narrative beginning with how the Chandrian killed his troop
It's like if Szeth-son-son-Vallano didn't want people to talk about the storms despite deriving his power from them. Or if Locke Lamora was upset about being accused of being the Thorn of Camorr despite him being the guy.
Zelda didn't just fall out of a coconut tree with the triforce of wisdom. There are two guys who are fated to have a struggle session with her.
What were we talking about?
Zelda didn't just fall out of a coconut tree with the triforce of wisdom. There are two guys who are fated to have a struggle session with her.
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There are tons of movies and shows about the Holocaust, several with Oscars and Emmys and huge marketing budgets. Get Hollywood to make more movies about Armenia and more people will talk about Armenia.
Yes, they can read books, but if youre trying to break something down for a wide audience, popular media matters
I mean yeah you could compare it to the Armenian genocide, since quickly forcing a large group of people into a less hospitable region without any support is an act of genocide. Whether that be abandoning them in a desert or forcing them into a narrow strip of land that you blockade.
Also the Holocaust isn't the only concentration camps have been used, wasn't even the first. The first official use of them was during the Boer Wars.
quickly forcing a large group of people into a less hospitable region without any support is an act of genocide
Eh. When this is done to a specific ethnicity I agree. The Soviet peasants quickly forced large numbers of kulaks to the east without much support and I wouldn't call it a genocide because they weren't threatening any ethnic or cultural group
Perhaps.
Still generally a bad thing to do. I'd argue that was one of the Soviet Unions bigger Ls. Forced relocation rarely goes well, even when there's some justification for it.
Still generally a bad thing to do. I'd argue that was one of the Soviet Unions bigger Ls
I'd argue much larger Ls were actually centrally directed policies of ethnic relocation such as the deportations of Crimean Tatars or Koreans.
The deportations of Kulaks happened at a time of need in which forced expropriation of the land by the peasants was imperative to the rapid industrialization NEEDED to fulfill the economic plans that enabled the extremely fast industrialization of the USSE which ultimately saved the world from Nazism. Furthermore, those deportations were mostly decided by local soviets of peasants who had suffered under the thumb of said Kulaks for decades, and said Kulaks fought back against collectivization as a class. It was an act of class warfare, not an ethnic cleansing.
The Gaza genocide has about 12% the number of deaths as Rwanda 1994, about 3.5% of Armenia
35k is just where they had to stop counting because of total collapse of the institutions doing the counting. naive to think that is still the extent of it
35k is just where they had to stop counting because of total collapse of the institutions doing the counting
It goes even further than that; even when that number was presented, they ONLY counted the bodies they could identify; all the people under the rubble, and potentially all the dead who couldn't be identified, would not have been counted. Even when they were still actively counting, it was considered an undercount, but they did everything in their power to remain as legit as possible most likely so they don't just get called liars, as they were regardless.
Seems way too low. Are you counting only violent deaths for Gaza?
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