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[–] 129 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (40 children)

Now the left needs to be hammered relentlessly so that they learn their lesson from this. You can not "redeem" yourself as a military service person unless you relentlessly hammer home that it was wrong, that you regret being in it, and that you condemn it. They must dedicate their lives to opposition to it and redemption. The redeemable veterans are like Mike Prysner.

And they need to fucking learn that this "oh but joining the military is ok" shit is absurd. It's not. It's never ok. There are no leftist soldiers and there are no leftist veterans unless they're deeply opposed to the military and what it does.

You can't be a pro or even neutral-military leftist. All the good veterans are anti-military and all the good leftists are also anti-military.

I don't even fucking understand who they think they're pandering to by babying military personnel. Do they think that by telling them what they do is fine they will come around and become leftists? Pro-imperialism leftists? Like wtf is anyone in the left thinking? The only military personnel that are likely to become leftists are the ones seeing what the military is doing and reacting with sheer horror and guilt at it all.

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  • [–] 70 points 3 months ago (18 children)

    This whole saga just taught me that the majority of self-appointed thought leaders of what passes as the left in the US are fucking stupid. Their sole responsibility within any org unlucky enough to be saddled with these useless dead weight should be moving heavy boxes from point A to point B and even then they might fuck that up somehow.

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  • [–] 43 points 3 months ago (17 children)

    This whole saga just taught me that the majority of self-appointed thought leaders of what passes as the left in the US are fucking stupid.

    I'm not entirely convinced. I think the people who supported Platner are more likely to be compromised than stupid. Hasan for example has spent literally years upon years diverting people who were ostensibly moving left and convincing them to vote democrat. Even if he had legitimate left wing politics at some point, that point is far behind him now.

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  • [–] 50 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    A lot of them are both compromised and fools. Idk if Hasan is also a fool or just compromised. I'm inclined to say also a fool because even a vet apologist could have seen Platner as being a liability far beyond the typical smol bean proud veteran and taken any of several offramps to more openly disavow him.

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  • [–] 58 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)

    100%. People should stop acting like being a proud veteran doesn't say anything bad about you as a person. This guy killed people. I repeat, he killed people. He has aleardy demonstrated the capacity for violence far beyond what vast majority of the population is capable of. Is sexual violence really that much of a leap from what he's done in Iraq?

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  • [–] 38 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Even here I'm seeing people act like no one could have seen this coming and Platner betrayed them, etc. rather than acknowledging that it was always extremely obvious that he was an unprincipled Nazi piece of shit and people have been pointing it out for months. I don't believe anything will change and I also don't think anyone who was ever willing to support that imperialist POS can be reasonably believed to be on the left.

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    [–] 101 points 3 months ago

    Commies were shitting on this guy 9 months ago and commies are always right.

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  • [–] 94 points 3 months ago (24 children)

    Honestly, why would you even run in the first place if you've done anything even remotely questionable.

    Yeah, nobody wants any more incredibly groomed dweebs whose families have been prepping them for office since middle school, but come on.

    How dumb are people that they assume they'll be able to get away with anything more serious than shoplifting gum once as a child when they're subject to the most scrutiny anyone could reasonably expect to see in their life? You're invariably going to have like 10,000 journalists digging for any scoop they can find on you, and they're not going to leave any stone unturned.

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  • [–] 72 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    because am*ricans excused literally everything else about him


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  • [–] 47 points 3 months ago

    This stuff is never about what voters think or care about, because they never care.

    It's about what the party establishment wants, and someone with any dirt on them at all is unfathomably stupid to attempt to counter the establishment. At best, this behaviour is pure selfishness but in all likelihood is calculated behavior to wreck leftist organizations.

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  • [–] 53 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    Because otherwise how else will your CIA/Blackwater buddies pay you? He and the people behind him literally thought it was as easy to scam dem voters as it was republican voters. Which, I mean, is a fair conclusion to draw overall, but not quite accurate. It's just almost as easy.

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  • [–] 78 points 3 months ago* (9 children)

    Sorry, gonna have to tap on the sign here. That voters didn't care at all about him being a literal professional torturer at Abu Ghraib should tell you that American voters do not care about anything like this.

    Tara Reade got completely smeared and had zero impact on Biden's campaign. It's not about scamming the voters at all with this stuff, it's purely about who the party establishment wants to support or capsize.

    The political class doesn't care about assault, they care about their centrist caucus. If Platner was a Zionist running against a DSA candidate, the entirety of the US media machine would be tripping over themselves to discredit the accuser right now.

    This is not defense of Platner, I don't think he should have even been permitted to announce his candidacy in the first place and Ryan Grim should find himself in the woodshed for propping him up.

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  • [–] 44 points 3 months ago

    You get approached by a Democratic Party handler who says "Hey kid you want to run for Senate in Maine?" And you say "Uh sure" and they assure you "Don't worry about your past we can make that all go away or spin it into a non-issue, whatever it is." And you think, well, they must know what they're doing!

    Something like that.

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  • [–] 39 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Someone posted an article the other day that was about there was some Democratic Kingmaker who handpicked Platner to run for Senate after seeing a short video of him speaking

    Not to rely on the image of the scheming vizier helping someone attain power so that they themselves can ride on their coattails...

    But that's basically exactly what happened

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    [–] 76 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Nazi, war criminal, merc, cmon theres so many red flag.

    Like at least I can see the rationale behind why people would support zohran, but why the fuck would you want "progressive movement" to be represented by a guy who thinks nazi tattoos are cool is beyond me.

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  • [–] 60 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    the way people fell over themselves making excuses for that shit and believing he didn't know it was, what, the number 3 nazi symbol? swastika, ss bolts, totenkopf? completely ridiculous

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  • [–] 45 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Like, not knowing about it when you have had nothing to do with it is one thing. American education legitimately sucks, I get it. Not knowing about it when it has been tattooed on your chest for the better part of two decades, though? Come on now. Even if that were true (it is not, he absolutely fucking knew) it should be disqualifying because you shouldn't want to put someone in a position of power who is so incurious that they wore a Nazi symbol on their chest for nearly 20 years without ever looking into it!

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    [–] 75 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    Honestly kind of stunned he actually dropped out. After all the Nazi shit came out and he didn't budge, I thought maybe he had some of that Teflon Don sauce going for him. Guess not. Bye loser!

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  • [–] 54 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    i'd bet money he could've been all "nah i'm staying in, blue no matter who" and been fine.

    it's some 40k shit where he's only vulnerable to it because he thinks he is.

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  • [–] 39 points 3 months ago

    I dunno how conspiratorial I want to get but the tattoo coverup or lack thereof and the merc work had me fairly convinced he was basically a MIC plant to get ahead of the democrats moving leftward

    Like I’m fully convinced the pentagon has its own electoral manipulation wing and guys like Platner come out of it

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    [–] 70 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    Mark my words, he's going to appear on Tucker in a month.

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    [–] 59 points 3 months ago* (5 children)

    I ran for US Senate and all I got was my sick totenkopf covered up.

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  • [–] 54 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    The sooner I never have to hear about the Platner discourse again, the better

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  • [–] 50 points 3 months ago

    Here's the resignation video. It's 11 minutes long. He's still denying any wrongdoing. He says that he's suspending the campaign at 7 minutes into the video. He claims that he's resigning because the Democrat Establishment won't let him win and not because of the allegations. It reminds me of the Trumpism: "They're not coming after me. They're coming after you and I'm just standing in their way".

    https://nitter.net/grahamformaine/status/2075009677495058687#m

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  • [–] 48 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    I saw a great comment on YouTube of all places that the other problem with Platner is that he has no org behind him, no real plan, no discipline, no nothing - he was effectively a vigilante candidate and therefore even if he weren't such a piece of shit he still could never have been effective. One anti Israel politician, in the openly Zionist democratic party? What do you think will come of that? Nothing except for him to be made to act against his supposed anti-israel beliefs.

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    My "Platner is an asset in a comprehensive psyop to poison anti-Zionism" theory in shambles

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  • [–] 39 points 3 months ago

    I'm so fucking sick of the discourse surrounding this imperialist dog

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    [–] 37 points 3 months ago*

    Just like that all the momentum captured and dusted just as planned. The Obvious Plant has been harvested. Agent Bearded Oyster can go back undercover until the next activation.

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  • [–] [S] 35 points 3 months ago

    Nazi Has Fallen

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  • [–] 35 points 3 months ago (16 children)

    The movement for global liberation will require people with martial experience and must even be welcoming of folks with redemption arcs.

    This dude was never that exemption

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  • [–] 33 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Yes but for some fucking reason people think that this means we must baby military personnel and what horrors they have done in order to convince them the left is good.

    The only military personnel that are ever likely to become leftists are the military personnel who see it all and react with horror and guilt then dedicate themselves to its opposition.

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