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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 33 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Yes but for some fucking reason people think that this means we must baby military personnel and what horrors they have done in order to convince them the left is good.

The only military personnel that are ever likely to become leftists are the military personnel who see it all and react with horror and guilt then dedicate themselves to its opposition.

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[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 17 points 3 months ago* (4 children)

Like I said a long time ago the last time Lobster Mercenary was being talked about, I’m not asking every vet to take up like Mike Prysnor but he is useful as a litmus. You should aspire to be more like Prysnor or at least openly and proudly approve of Prysnor’s anti-imperialist vet identity. I don’t think Platner would. I think his whole selling point was redeeming American empire and the crimes it committed to rally the libs etc, and my whole conspiracy theory angle too

Whatever I’m so glad I do t have to give a shit about this fucko anymore

Edit: the “whatever” seems dismissive and I don’t mean that to you, Awoo, just about Platner and this whole shitshow

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[–] Blakey@hexbear.net 18 points 3 months ago (1 child)

I mean Platner's platform was that America should stop fighting stupid wars that don't benefit everyday Americans. He also ran on increasing military pay, expanding the navy, and increasing veteran benefits. It's pretty clear he is 100% in favour of American wars that do benefit everyday Americans. He doesn't want to stop or even slow down American imperialism, he just wants a bigger piece of the pie, and that's always been extremely obvious. American liberals just genuinely don't care how many poor brown people their military kills as long as they get their treats. The fact that he opportunistically condemned Israel really shouldn't be convincing anyone given how much he loved personally killing Muslims.

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[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 14 points 3 months ago

American liberals just genuinely don't care how many poor brown people their military kills as long as they get their treats.

I’m so past disappointed I’m just numb and jaded to that fact. To put a word to it they are “maladjusted” to the current reality and they imperil us all with their bullshit.

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 11 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

I’m not asking every vet to take up like Mike Prysnor but he is useful as a litmus

I would love to hear what Prysner thinks actually. I wish someone like Hasan would have him on and ask.

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[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 13 points 3 months ago

Now I’d actually watch the live stream of that, or his cool as fuck wife Abby Martin, they’re probably the strongest or most known domestic anti imperialists I know who actually tie the environment to the war industry, an elephant in the room billions of libs ignore

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[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 29 points 3 months ago

even if he was those people shouldn't be given political power

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[–] Kuori@hexbear.net 19 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The movement for global liberation will require people with baby-shooting experience and must even be welcoming of folks who curl into the fetal position and cry when you microwave popcorn

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[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 14 points 3 months ago (1 child)

You forgot acorns on cars

Shit, that’s a cop thing kril-stare (this is posted because we don’t have a squirrel emoji)

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[–] Kuori@hexbear.net 5 points 3 months ago

you're mocking a future hero of the revolution pal

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[–] Blakey@hexbear.net 18 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

Right? I've seen the excuse that "people love a redemption arc" for why there was so much support for the guy and just... What arc? He campaigned on expanding the military and increasing veteran benefits and said he was against stupid wars that don't benefit everyday Americans. Not unjust wars, or forever wars, or just American wars in general. So why did he phrase it like that? Easy, because he favours what he sees as smart wars that do benefit everyday Americans. He still wants America to plunder as much of the world as it can get away with, he just wants more of the plunder for himself. He didn't even hide it.

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[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 15 points 3 months ago (1 child)

100000% that’s why I was getting John Kerry 2004 vibes the whole time. The old “let the competent stewards of our horrible empire have a turn at the wheel.” It’s the same energy as all the lib brunch enjoyers who were mad about Trump and his hogs hogging up the Oval Office. Optics. They are very sensitive in their optics nerves. Selectively. Lord knows they ignore the optics of “large adult war enjoyer”

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[–] Blakey@hexbear.net 6 points 3 months ago

Fucking septics are so gross tbqh. Hey Americans: explode yourselves with a comical stick of dynamite that has an amusing fizzing fuse>:(

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[–] larrikin99@hexbear.net 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Hypothetically, an org with such requirements would be sending trusted and disciplined members to enlist in the military with specific targets of what they should learn and providing them support if they run into problems.

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[–] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 6 points 3 months ago (1 child)

You're talking about spying and looking for specific information to leak, other commenters are referring to oblivious people who discover the horrors of imperialism firsthand and become anti-imperialists.

No leftist organization should be pipelining members into enlistment in a military (other than the PLA) with the intent of having already anti-imperialist members see what it's like to be a mass murderer.

"It sounds like you're feeding ~~shelter cats~~ baby leftists to coyotes."

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[–] larrikin99@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago

The other commenter is living in a delusion where Left wing orgs are dedicating any resources to preparing people or material for violent insurrection. I was pointing out how that's LARP, and if there was any need for military trained individuals, then you'd expect they would be created the same way gangs and neo-nazis already exploit.