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cross-posted from: https://feddit.online/c/euro@feddit.online/p/1817064/germany-tightens-sick-leave-rules-medical-doctor-note-required-from-day-one-telephone-s

Germany's Chancellor Merz:

We can no longer accept the extraordinarily high levels of sick leave in our companies.

We are abolishing sick leave by telephone and introducing the requirement to submit a medical certificate from the very first day of illness.

We know this is a tough decision. But we can no longer afford this competitive disadvantage caused by prolonged absences from work.

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[-] mabeledo@lemmy.world 123 points 1 week ago

Great. Make yourself even less likable to the working class, by serving your billionaire masters. No wonder fucking AfD is winning by doing nothing these days.

[-] MohamedMoney@feddit.org 41 points 1 week ago

What I still don’t get is that the afd benefits from this. It will be much worse for the working class when they achieve their goals.

[-] Pechente@feddit.org 37 points 1 week ago

Absolutely but for people to recognize that, they need to be at least somewhat well informed and a huge number of people are fed by targeted disinformation campaigns and will therefore not see this

[-] matlag@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago

Same as in France I guess: the right tactic is to speak as few as possible while claiming you're a workers party. Let the acting gov keep shooting itself in the foot repeatedly.

Oligarchs controlled medias will do the rest.

[-] wieson@feddit.org 10 points 1 week ago

Afd lies and people believe their lies.

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[-] Tryenjer@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Germany is cooked. 💀

The CDU adopts dumb policies like that, and then the AfD comes out with cruel crap like this.

https://respublica.media/hocke-auf-dem-afd-parteitag-wir-mussen-einen-grossen-teil-der-nation-auf-die-couch-legen-und-therapieren/

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[-] reluctant_squidd@lemmy.ca 83 points 1 week ago

Don’t forget the big middle finger this gives to doctors, who most likely have too much paperwork to do now.

[-] crandlecan@mander.xyz 18 points 1 week ago

My Dutch doctor would flat-out refuse. Something about patient doctor confidelity...

[-] bob_lemon@feddit.org 27 points 1 week ago

The employer never gets to see the diagnosis and is also forbidden from directly asking the employee. That won't change in this reform either.

But the workload for doctors will skyrocket if employees with a common cold cannot simply call off from work without going to the doctor.

(Not to mention the fact that the doctor will then declare you sick for a week instead of people staying home for just 1-2 days)

[-] azimir@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 week ago

Oh yeah! If the doc says one or two days (it's a cold), but it lingers a bit, that person gets to come back to the doc on day 3. A smart doc will just write it for a week and tell you to rest up good.

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[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 66 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

We know this is a tough decision. But we can no longer afford this competitive disadvantage caused by prolonged absences from work.

The disadvantage:

Country Average Weeks/Days per Year
Finland ~4.8 weeks (~24 days)
France ~4.1 weeks (~20.5 days)
Portugal ~4.0 weeks (~20 days)
Germany ~3.9 weeks (~19-20 days)
Belgium ~3.9 weeks (~19.5 days)
[-] matlag@sh.itjust.works 34 points 1 week ago

Neo-liberalism: as long as you're not aligned with the lowest pay, the longest working hours, the least time off, the least benefits, you're suffering from "competitive diadvantage", and you need to "fix it".

[-] Quantillion@mstdn.io 23 points 1 week ago

@avidamoeba @Beep
And yet their overall hourly productivity is higher than a lot of countries with longer hours & less vacation.

[-] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

Plus Germans have a total of 1.6 billion hours of overtime a year, half of which goes illegally unpaid.

But sure, sick days are the real problem in our society…

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[-] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 65 points 1 week ago

It‘s just really irrational on so many levels but that‘s the current German government for you.

[-] jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 18 points 1 week ago

German voters: well, voting for the right hasn't worked - they haven't done anything for the common people. We should try voting for nazis next.

Left/Green: hi there I have many things I want to improve for the common people!

German voters: go fuck yourself.

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[-] tomiant@piefed.world 54 points 1 week ago

I hate this passionately, for so many reasons.

They talk about how socialism breeds "nanny states". How is this ultra conservative move not nannyism?

Did all of these fucking people go to school in the 1890's?

[-] jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Right so the problem here is that you suffer from this left-wing thinking that there should be consistency in words, actions, rules.

While conservatism is about having an in-group who the rules protect but do not bind, and an out-group who the rules bind but do not protect. There not being equality and consistency is the point.

[-] tomiant@piefed.world 2 points 2 days ago

I'm just lashing out at the blatant hypocrisy, but honestly, what is the point? What is that quote- they know they don't make sense. They don't have to. They'll just swamp you with whatever because really, they just don't give a shit and will take whatever they can from everyone at everyone's expense.

[-] jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 2 points 2 days ago

Greed for power and resources, egoism, stupidity. They have a rather barbaric mindset.

[-] tomiant@piefed.world 2 points 2 days ago

I'm with you.

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[-] JohnnyEnzyme@piefed.social 46 points 1 week ago

IIRC this flawed arrangement is in common with Japan, and often leads to sick notes made for days or more just to make sure the patient doesn't have to go get one sick leave note per day, meaning unexpected vacations, commonly.

So already knowing how that works, is this just performative politics by Merz?

[-] tomi000@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

This is absolutely how it will play out. Until now I took 1 or 2 sick days a year, I dont really get sick often. From now on, I will make sure my doctor prescribes 2 weeks of rest per occasion.

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[-] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 37 points 1 week ago

What the fuck, is Germany grade school?

Does he get to check your clothes before you go out too?

[-] Rolive@discuss.tchncs.de 36 points 1 week ago

Crazy. In the Netherlands the employer is not even allowed to ask what disease you have. If they want to know if your sick leave is legit they have to get an independent doctor involved.

Yes it's easy to abuse the system but hear me out, what if, the employer is nice to it's employees? They'd be unlikely to abuse sick leave.

[-] CmdrUlle@feddit.org 34 points 1 week ago

The certificate doesn't say why one is sick, and the employer make not ask.

Still, requiring at first day is dumb on sooo many levels....

[-] jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 17 points 1 week ago

Same in Germany, the doctor does not say why, just that there is an inability to work due to illness. On top of that it is illegal for the employer to even ask.

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[-] iocase@lemmy.zip 31 points 1 week ago

Hey doc I have a cold. I'm also really burned out from work so it wouldn't hurt if you required me 2 weeks off paid that my employer just has to accept.

Doctors note mandate suddenly and inexplicably reverts

[-] tja@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago

No, the next step is that sick leave is not paid anymore. So that you have to work sick or else you are losing money.

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[-] square@lemmy.zip 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This will backfire.

Before I retired, I got put on what my employer called a "sick leave letter" which means they thought I was abusing sick leave. Which was ridiculous, I had used only about 20% of the sick leave I had earned during my career and had a huge bank of time, but they said they thought there was "a pattern" because it was often in conjunction with my weekend. This sick leave letter required a doctor's note every time, instead of only for prolonged absences.

You know what doctors don't tell you? They don't tell you to "suck it up and get back to work as soon as you can drag yourself in", which was my M.O.. You know what they do tell you? They do tell you to take at least a week off, two if you can.

As I said, I had a huge bank of time. After two times where 1-2 days became two weeks, which I gladly took and turned into vacations, I started asking if they really wanted me to go to a doctor (which involved me spending about an hour going down the road to urgent care and spending a $20 copay to get a note for two weeks) or if I could just take a day or two. They, smartly, told me not to bother, which I required in writing. The sick leave letter expired eventually and I never heard any bullshit again.

TL;DR: Doctors tell you to take more time off than most people take on their own.

[-] rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 week ago

Answering the question why Merz is the least popular chancellor in the history of the Federal Republic of Germany.

[-] B0rax@feddit.org 13 points 1 week ago

This is not the only answer to that question…

[-] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 26 points 1 week ago

Fucking dickass fascist.

"Good morning, oh no I'm vomiting my guts up, can barely go 20 minutes without explosive diarrhea, and I'm bed-ridden from excruciating abdominal pain. Better get to the doctor so I don't have to go to work today."

What the fuck kind of hellhole is this? The billionaires are rich enough already.

Competitive advantage my ass.

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[-] skozzii@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 week ago

Well this is a step backwards.

[-] brainwashed@feddit.org 19 points 1 week ago

Small step backwards for Germany, but a giant leap forward for contagious diseases.

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[-] CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

This has never worked. This is very stupid.

[-] nialv7@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

the beating will continue until

[-] crandlecan@mander.xyz 18 points 1 week ago
[-] tomiant@piefed.world 9 points 1 week ago

Reminds me of Eric Wildman, proponent of corporal punishment in schools in the 1940's. He went to speak at a school, but the headmaster had set him up so when he got there the students jumped him and beat his ass with canes.

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[-] nightm4re@feddit.org 18 points 1 week ago

In Germany, we say "Merz leck Eier".

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[-] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

If you're genuinely having an issue with a sick workforce then you build better healthcare and preventative care services.

[-] ijhoo@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 week ago

is this the step where Germany reduces bureaucracy? or is it coming later

[-] spacegoat@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

All of this could be solved by checking Merz’s internet history and imprisoning him

[-] Natanael@slrpnk.net 14 points 1 week ago

Social services is an investment with positive ROI, you can't afford to save in on it

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[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Did influenza write this legislation?

[-] fireweed@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

I'm confused by this. I've never worked at a business that required (or was even interested in) a doctor's note when I was sick.

Why would I go to the doctor if I have any of the most common causes of sick days, like cold, flu, stomach upset, etc? They're not going to be able to do anything about it except take my temperature, confirm my described symptoms, and recommend fluids and rest. Meanwhile if I'm feeling too ill to go to work I'm going to feel too ill to go to the doctor, and being forced to go to the doctor instead of resting at home is only going to exacerbate the condition and potentially spread whatever I have to other patients at the doctor's office and on public transit (or do you want me behind the wheel in my condition?). Do y'all really have so much excess medical capacity that having people take up doctor time just for them to confirm "yup, sick" isn't a problem?

What happens when a company is like "this is dumb, we're not 'requiring' shit"? How is this even enforceable? Like, we all recognize this is overreach, but just from a practicality point of view how is any of this proposal feasible?

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