Carney chooses German submarines for Canadian navy fleet (www.cbc.ca)

submitted 15 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) by ValueSubtracted@startrek.website to c/canada@lemmy.ca

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[-] Planchette_Phantom@lemmy.zip 10 points 7 hours ago

Funny how everyone is screaming about Eurocentrism, nazism, and imperialism—as if most rich countries aren't imperialistic. WWII ended nearly 81 years ago and Germany isn't even the culprit for modern-day fascism.

[-] otter@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

I'm not sure if I'd equate the two downvoted comment threads.

I've found grte's presence on Lemmy to be generally positive, and while I don't know enough about the contents of the argument to weigh in, the comment chain feels like pretty standard political discussion. I got to learn more about the differences between the german and korean subs, and what the prime minister might (or might not) be prioritizing.

Meanwhile, the other comment is flippant and unproductive

[-] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 hours ago

Germany: finally my economy will grow!

[+] grte@lemmy.ca -31 points 15 hours ago

No surpise to me. Eurocentrism is clearly one of Carney's numerous shortcomings.

[-] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 20 points 15 hours ago

Is there reason to believe this is the worse option?

[-] CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world 18 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

It isn't. The German subs are more fit for extended arctic patrols which is a key requirement. The Korean subs advantage was vertical launch cruise missile capability, which is nice, but not a core function. It loses head to head because it would need an unproven Canadianization cold weather package and has limited underwater and stealth run times due to lack of a hydrogen fuel cell. It's lithium batteries are substantial, but not as proven or as capable. The German subs were the obvious choice for those paying attention.

[+] grte@lemmy.ca -20 points 15 hours ago

I can't speak to that, I am not a naval expert. I just assumed Carney was never seriously considering the SK option.

[-] GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca 2 points 7 hours ago

This is kind of funny after the major China deal and all the noise the bigots on the other side of the fence said about that one. I'm pretty sure the most important color to Carney is green.

[-] grte@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

How major a deal was that, really? 49k cars when we sold 1,918,861 in 2024. (Oh, and significant chunk of those "Chinese" imports are fucking Teslas.)

It was certainly a major PR win for Carney at a time when our anger at the US was boiling over.

[-] FaceDeer@fedia.io 19 points 13 hours ago

Ah, so this is an entirely self-contained belief system. He chose this option because he's "eurocentric," and he's eurocentric because he chose this option.