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[-] dreamy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 5 hours ago

This is one of the comments 💀

[-] Zacryon@feddit.org 6 points 4 hours ago

To be fair, bad advice from random internet people was already a thing long before big babble machines.

[-] m3t00@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago

time better spent rtfm and thinking

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 6 points 8 hours ago

a GParted backup file was corrupted

I don't know much about Linux, but is a single backup that important? Like it feels like you could just delete that backup and make another one

[-] hansolo@lemmy.today 7 points 16 hours ago

Y'all - This post is actually a full level more sinister and all about shareholder value than it seems.

There is a huge difference between the paid versions of LLMs and the unpaid/free tier. I've heard some estimations of about a year lag time.

Why is this about shareholder value? Because these companies only tell you about the pie in the sky good stuff that the corporate level paid versions are doing.

Case in point, I've had 2 really excellent times troubleshooting issues with Claude, just like @paranoia@feddit.dk which only worked because it was the paid version. One was trying to re-format and re-use an external SSD in container to use as a bootable Win 11 drive. The paid version managed to troubleshoot the issue, which was an MBR label for the boot sector. Didn't even take long, maybe 20 minutes on a side quest. Similarly, paid Claude helped me get a home network up and running in minutes.

I've tried unpaid Claude for even rudimentary troubleshooting, and it throws boilerplate "have you tried turning off and then on again?" level troubleshooting that might only help grandmas and dipshits. Useless. Which is the point. "Oh, hey, you want the thing that isn't soft in the head? Pay us $20.

[-] ZDL@lazysoci.al 12 points 7 hours ago

There's some problems with this take of "the unpaid level is about a year behind".

  1. This is absolutely idiotic marketing. "Here, try our free service to see what you're getting. Oh, it's absolute shit, completely useless, and in fact damaging? Give us money!" The whole point of free trials is to show off your strengths. If your free trial is a piece of shit, it's not going to convert into paid subscriptions.

  2. If we use this logic, well, let's rewind a year. The current free level is the same as what the pro level was a year ago. A year ago they were selling their pro levels as the greatest things since sliced bread. As "Ph. D. equivalent assistants" in fact. And here we are a year later, so the public level should be at the "Ph. D. equivalent assistants" that were advertised a year ago. And they're basically Ph. D. assistants with a diploma from a mill, wearing clown shoes. So ... colour me suspicious of claims that the commercial grades are any better.

Now for point 1, I wouldn't put it past the techbroaidudes to be absolute shit at marketing. A lot of their marketing, in fact, seems like it was dreamed up by an LLMbecile. But point 2 is a harder one to counter. They were saying the same thing a year ago that they're saying now, and the free tier now is supposed to be what the paid tier was a year ago. This doesn't add up.

[-] FatVegan@leminal.space 77 points 1 day ago

Can we all agree that giving a bunch of shit advice followed by: welp, that's all i got, good luck. Is kinda funny

[-] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

Train an AI on 4chan, get 4chan level tech support.

[-] Abyssian@lemmy.world 19 points 23 hours ago

Best case scenario is AI giving everyone the worst possible advice and causing them to lose a lot of money/organs/life/whatever so this shit can die or at least slow way down.

I am a medical doctor and not only does injecting bleach cure Covid, it also permanently cures migraines.

[-] FatVegan@leminal.space 2 points 5 hours ago
[-] late_pessimistic@slrpnk.net 1 points 4 hours ago

Unfortunately (or fortunately?), I am not sure AI is scraping Lemmy for training data

[-] TammyTobacco@sh.itjust.works 7 points 23 hours ago

I'm also a medical professional on the Internet and can safely say injecting bleach can cure many ailments, including migraines and curing covid.

[-] Anti_Iridium@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago

Funny, I'm a dog on the internet and I eat chocolate all the time, it's not toxic at all.

[-] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago

Also permanently cures hemorrhoids

[-] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 4 points 20 hours ago

It's like all those memes about finding information in old internet correspondence.

1 person has your exact problem and it's five pages of people offering general or unhelpful advice until you finally get to them marking it solved with: "got it, thanks everyone!

At this point, we could start setting tires on fire while conducting informal polls without pen and paper and probably cut down on the hallucinating.

[-] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 15 points 21 hours ago

I was told the same thing about resetting the CMOS battery when I was new to Linux and an update broke my graphic shell (yes, it was an arch-based distro).

I was asking Lumo and Mistral for help recovering it because I didn't even know enough to know how to try the solutions mentioned in the forums. That was the first thing I asked them, and once I tried it it didn't work anyway so then I started troubleshooting with the chatbots.

Some of the stuff they told me sounded crazy, like taking the laptop apart and resetting the CMOS battery, but fortunately I knew they weren't infallible so I decided to go ahead and not do that. Also I was too lazy to try, and wouldn't trust myself to anyway. But mainly I thought that seemed more likely to break things even worse, so I didn't.

I kept asking questions, narrowing things down, adding detail about precisely what was happening and what the problem was. Eventually it told me (I forget which one) how to check my Plasma version and roll it back to the previous one, as well as backing up my config dotfiles, resetting them, and selectively restoring them one at a time. Between those solutions, it worked, and I got my graphic shell back.

This was after fixing something else that I had broken myself when I tried solving it without a chatbot, when I misunderstood the instructions on the forum and went to the UEFI menu instead of the GRUB terminal or TTY, and accidentally changed my boot disk to my unallocated spare drive.

I learned a lot about Linux systems that day. Prior to that I always considered myself a non-techie. I thought I hated computers, but it turns out I just hated Windows (and Apple, which I had tried too).

It was my trial by fire, and I honestly wouldn't have gotten through it without Mistral. That being said, I also would have probably broken my system beyond repair if I had blindly trusted everything Mistral said.

It's helped me with some other things too. Encrypting an external hard drive; using rsync and Borg; learning GParted, Ventoy, and BalenaEtcher, as well as clamAv, maldet, rkhunter, and aide; setting up anacron scripts; recovering a waterfox profile after an update seemed to reset everything.

None of which I would have been able to do on my own. Even following the forums, the instructions assumed a certain baseline level of knowledge that I didn't have yet. Chatbots can be helpful, even free ones. It just takes some critical thinking, a healthy dose of skepticism, and a little bit of interrogation, clarification, and troubleshooting.

One of my next projects will be to self-host a smaller model to minimize environmental impact and be more self-reliant and offline/resilient

[-] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 14 points 22 hours ago

"Three hours of following Goggles suggestions"

Say no more

[-] mvirts@lemmy.world 8 points 20 hours ago

At Google, AI does Reinforcement learning on You!

[-] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 133 points 1 day ago

This is what I call a “wild goose chase”. LLMs like to do that sort of thing, and it’s your job to notice that and pull the plug as soon as possible. If you’re not qualified to evaluate output, the risk of an aimless never ending chase increases dramatically. The good thing is, that you’ll learn to be more careful next time. Take those half hallucinated answers with a spoon of salt.

[-] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 72 points 1 day ago

I have a better suggestion: assume literally everything AI says is made up nonsense (because it is) and never ask it anything or read its summaries.

[-] Klear@piefed.world 15 points 1 day ago

For me the question is "would I ask a complete dumbass to google this for me"? If I ever end up with a yes, I may consider asking AI. Though I still probably won't, because I can't stand the way they write.

[-] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 6 points 23 hours ago

Oh and the high-impact language they use feels really jarring and out of place. Everything is just so intense with these LLMs.

[-] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 day ago

Yeah, that's a pretty safe approach. You never know which parts are crude averages of the training data and which parts got interpolated.

If you happen have subject matter expertise, you can tell where it all went wrong. On the other hand, at that point you already know what the right answer is so why bother asking an LLM in the first place. It's a very paradoxical situation.

[-] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 day ago

The good thing is, that you’ll learn to be more careful next time.

Unfortunately, most clankers don't think this way. It's always either a "rare" fluke, or just because they didn't use the most expensive model

[-] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 day ago

LOL. Just throw more money at the problem until it goes away. Sure… that worked great last time.

[-] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 1 day ago

LLMs can be good for troubleshooting, but if the first suggestion doesn't work, the 10th won't either. Never do any LLM "fixes" that you don't know are reversible.

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[-] BarnWolf@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Makes me wonder if there are people out there right now on some crazy AI goose chase. Just taking them all over the place doing random nonsensical tasks.

[-] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 day ago

The chances are very high. People always have technical problems, and they are also impatient enough to use an LLM. Why spend hours reading stackoverflow, and try solutions that aren't exactly what you're currently facing? That takes time, effort and improvisation skills.

Meanwhile, you could type a question to an LLM, and get an answer in a few seconds. In the best case scenario, you'll get something useful out of it, but you could also start another wild goose chase. Humans are lazy, so they'll fall into this trap very easily. It's a gamble.

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[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

True, I wonder what the AI was chasing. I would imagine you could download the updated bios for that board to a USB using another machine and maybe get the bios working again, then they may be able to salvage things. Dells bios recovery can usually bypass any USB boot restrictions that were in the previous bios settings

[-] Hubi@feddit.org 24 points 1 day ago

The AI probably forgot what the initial prompt was halfway through the conversation due to context length lol

[-] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's usually some random thought that is in the right neighborhood, but not quite spot on. A human troubleshooter would straight up say that it's impossible to tell you what the problem is, so you would need to narrow it down by testing a few things.

An LLM just says that you need to update drivers or whatever. If the problem is caused by something obscure (like this one), an LLM will never be able to figure it out. This kind of stuff apparently just doesn't exist in the training data, so there's no way for the model to extrapolate and reach the right conclusion. Instead, it will continuously interpolate with the data it has, and you'll end up with an infinite list of wrong answers.

Sycophancy really doesn't help either. If you have any ideas what might cause the problem, the LLM will cling to those, no matter how wrong you might be. Troubleshooting requires critical thinking and LLMs don't seem to be very good at that.

[-] Marija@lemmy.zip 11 points 23 hours ago

Haha yeahh, AI helps, but everything needs to be verified with experience

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[-] taiyang@lemmy.world 35 points 1 day ago

I've tried to use it before for troubleshooting but even with as much detail as I can manage, it almost always gives me irrelevant boilerplate advice. I get it, it's a predictive model and the most common answer to the question. The problem is, tech issues are specific and general advice isn't going to solve it (plus man, of course I rebooted, duh).

I found that instead of AI, it's always an obscure forum post that saves me. Like, cold boot after a 30 second power off saved me so much trouble after going Windows to Linux, and AI didn't even have that in the 60 bullets of advice it was giving. Ugh.

[-] minorkeys@sh.itjust.works 40 points 1 day ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

They want us to use it but don't want any responsibility for when using it harms us. We are being experimented on by corporations to test the technology they will use eliminate our jobs and impoverish us all.

[-] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 4 points 23 hours ago

Don't forget the mass surveillance.

[-] KaRunChiy@fedia.io 52 points 1 day ago

Backup file corrupts, program still loads and operates normally Oh shit Better destroy my laptop

[-] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Found the linux user lmao 🐧

[-] thurstylark@lemmy.today 34 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yeah, I once had ChatGPT lead me down a rabbit hole chasing a windows network share issue that I had absolutely no business troubleshooting. At least I knew enough to test one change at a time and verify functionality with the concerned parties before moving to the next change, so nothing broke catastrophically like this, but looking back on the experience scared the shit outta me. Never fixed the issue, but the slop machine had me believing I was just on the cusp of fixing everything the whole time.

I know for a fact that there are people way dumber than me, way more powerful than me, and way more willing to eat up this garbage psuedo-technical sycophancy all at the same time, and that sends a cold shiver down my spine.

This shit needs to die. The sooner the better.

[-] Gork@sopuli.xyz 22 points 1 day ago

Goddamn clankers

[-] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Ha, fuckin slopper

Best I can do is buy it off of them for $20

[-] paranoia@feddit.dk 2 points 23 hours ago

I've had pretty good success with Claude doing this even two years ago.

I have an extremely dodgy home server where I needed to move the OS from the eMMC to an SSD connected to the WiFi card port. Obviously had a lot of problems with partitions and cloning but it got there in the end.

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